EO 360°: A podcast by the Entrepreneurs' Organization
Aug 18, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 16 segments
Nausheen Chen is a public speaking coach who has worked with leaders at Amazon, NASA, and the UN. After years as a filmmaker, she left that career when her husband pushed her to build a business…
Nausheen ChenGuest
Dave WillHost
Essentially, if you think back to caveman times, when we used to live in caves, being away from your tribe, so being singled out, having no one around you.

not having any weapons on you, people looking at you, you being in the spotlight, having nowhere to run.

And that's why there is a deep seated fear of public speaking, of being singled out, of being in the spotlight that we just can't help.

That never crossed my mind when I'm on stage, but obviously that's where the fear comes from.

However, the good news is it's absolutely trainable because, of course, you can reason with that lizard part of your brain.

But there are so many tools that you can use to get yourself out of that mindset.

Because essentially, when you're in that mindset, it's the fight, flight, or freeze instinct that kicks in.

Essentially, if you think back to caveman times, when we used to live in caves, being away from your tribe, so being singled out, having no one around you.

not having any weapons on you, people looking at you, you being in the spotlight, having nowhere to run.

And that's why there is a deep seated fear of public speaking, of being singled out, of being in the spotlight that we just can't help.

That never crossed my mind when I'm on stage, but obviously that's where the fear comes from.

However, the good news is it's absolutely trainable because, of course, you can reason with that lizard part of your brain.

But there are so many tools that you can use to get yourself out of that mindset.

Because essentially, when you're in that mindset, it's the fight, flight, or freeze instinct that kicks in.
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