Sep 9, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min · 16 segments
Malcolm and Simone Collins became known as prominent voices in the pronatalist movement. But today, much of their work is focused on a different question: what happens to humans, culture, education…
Amanda CassattHostSimone CollinsGuestAnd in the early days, we went out there, and we were just trying to be, like, very politically neutral.
You know, you get that, and people begin to be very, very aggressive to you, right? And we were like, "Okay, what, what's going on with this?" And then we began to develop our signature style.
And so, uh, we had this interviewer, uh, Julia Black, who tried to write one of the first big hit pieces on us, which is, like, billionaires trying to replace you or something, right?
B- but what I mean by this is the idea of a media printed celebrity has sort of died out.
The way that we sort of became the last celebrities that were printed by media organizations is because we did it antagonistically with those organizations, because that was the only thing that still went, th- you know, that, that reached people.
And in the early days, we went out there, and we were just trying to be, like, very politically neutral.
You know, you get that, and people begin to be very, very aggressive to you, right? And we were like, "Okay, what, what's going on with this?" And then we began to develop our signature style.
And so, uh, we had this interviewer, uh, Julia Black, who tried to write one of the first big hit pieces on us, which is, like, billionaires trying to replace you or something, right?
B- but what I mean by this is the idea of a media printed celebrity has sort of died out.
The way that we sort of became the last celebrities that were printed by media organizations is because we did it antagonistically with those organizations, because that was the only thing that still went, th- you know, that, that reached people.
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