The Blueprint for Sustainable Success with Thomas Kogler

i love that thomas in fact um thinking through and listening to you talk about your story, it reminds me of, so almost three years ago to the day, but November, mid-November, I started reading Wallace Waddles every morning.

And I've been doing that now for nearly three years, every single morning.

And there's a principle in his book, The Science of Being Great.

And it says, man is designed for growth, progress and contribution.

And if we're not doing that, and if you think about the world we live in today, every other species, the bear is doing today exactly what the bear did a thousand years ago.

The deer, the antelope, the snake, They're all doing the same thing.

But mankind, for whatever reason, over the last thousand years is now going to space.

And that in that first principle of humankind is what you're talking about.

If we are not growing, we are not progressing.

And if we're not progressing, we're not achieving.

If we're not achieving, frankly, we're not happy and we're not contributing back.

And so I love your point.

about that.

And I love your journey.

We've talked about on a prior podcast for those who haven't haven't heard Thomas's story.

Go back.

It was one of our first four or five podcasts where Thomas talked about that achievement.

Once he achieved, then what? In other words, the first mountain, what was the second? And you found that passion.

And we want to get right into this, Thomas, because what I've noticed with your transition and first principles with Nu Skin has been this shift from initially it was about your success, as you talked about.

Then it became about your organization and your team.

And that's when you built M5 and you really started to scale the success.

You're now kind of entering this next stage, which I think is truly Second Mountain, David Brooks' Second Mountain, which is all about purpose and all of that.

So we're going to get into that, but I'd love to take first principles and let's apply that to Nu Skin.

Well, let's apply it to network marketing, but let's apply it to Nu Skin after that.

So Thomas, when I ask the question, what are the first principles? to network marketing in your mind, or at least what are one, two, or three of the most important?