Jun 14, 2026 · 16 min · 10 segments
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So Katie, what is your relationship to reality television?
Mm, shameful.
[laughs]
Okay, that was your entry point.
Yeah.
Real, uh, Kardashians, I remember being in like elementary school and being after school at my friend Ethan's house, and his older sister Abby was watching it.
And like from the first time I laid eyes on Kim Kardashian, I was like starstruck and in love.
[laughs] She's perfect.
I loved her.
[laughs]
This was probably 2007, 2008, so the show had just come out.
Okay.
And how the Teresa Giudice table flipping prostitution whore scene became like a mainstay of culture in my household.
But as an adult, I would say that like, I don't know, I think reality television has really fallen off.
At least as an adult, it doesn't like-
Mm
... grab me as much as it used to.
And I think I alluded to this a little bit in the bonus episode that we did about it, but I mean, I was watching Love Is Blind for a while, and then that premise just kinda got stale for me.
I don't really seek out reality television as much anymore.
Okay, cool.
So Katie, what is your relationship to reality television?
Mm, shameful.
[laughs]
Okay, that was your entry point.
Yeah.
Real, uh, Kardashians, I remember being in like elementary school and being after school at my friend Ethan's house, and his older sister Abby was watching it.
And like from the first time I laid eyes on Kim Kardashian, I was like starstruck and in love.
[laughs] She's perfect.
I loved her.
[laughs]
This was probably 2007, 2008, so the show had just come out.
Okay.
And how the Teresa Giudice table flipping prostitution whore scene became like a mainstay of culture in my household.
But as an adult, I would say that like, I don't know, I think reality television has really fallen off.
At least as an adult, it doesn't like-
Mm
... grab me as much as it used to.
And I think I alluded to this a little bit in the bonus episode that we did about it, but I mean, I was watching Love Is Blind for a while, and then that premise just kinda got stale for me.
I don't really seek out reality television as much anymore.
Okay, cool.
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