DOP 369: Vibe Coding Without the Slop

I don't know that a good majority of the C-levels think that way because they're looking to cut people because they need money to pay for tokens.

And the quickest way to do that is get rid of people.

I don't know how we solve for that.

I don't know that we ever do.

Unless those companies start making more money, but if they make more money, it's going to go towards tokens, maybe.

And this also spins into – okay, I'm being very doomist right now – The people I'm most concerned about, we've talked about juniors and it's like, what do juniors do? I'm thinking about the people coming out straight out with a CS degree right now.

It's like, what do they do? It's like being from Dallas area and growing up on the East Coast, it's nothing like the West Coast because there seems to be a lot more technical options here, at least in the U.S., than there is anywhere else in the States.

What do you say to somebody that's coming out of school? It's like, okay, what do I do to just go and work at the local coffee shop now? Because I put in 50 resumes and nothing's happening.

Right.

I'd want your thoughts on this because there are legitimate companies, and I would say this is like the hyperscalers, that have AI bills to pay and have made the choice between the AI bills and people.

And certainly you see those articles.

That said, that is not the majority of customers.

There's people basically stapling themselves on because of economic reasons that really have nothing to do with what is your AI bill on doing layoffs.

And you're starting to see the backlash on using AI as the excuse for all layoffs.

But again, this is sort of like my personal take on that.

Everybody just stapling on that.

Back to your other question.

I think there is a level of uncertainty on what is the future.

There's, again, sort of two ways to look at that.

It's the pessimistic doomsday scenario or the opportunistic scenario.

Never before has a junior developer been able to build or run their own business, the sort of business of zero.

And I've seen some of the examples where you're talking about like, hey, we have our agentic workforce or our digital workforce.

And I think that's a really interesting example on how people can adapt and learn in this new environment.

We Salesforce have just recently, and I'm trying to think of how many total people it was, but we just hired a number of undergraduate folks.

There's just brilliant people out there and we weren't hiring.

I don't know that a good majority of the C-levels think that way because they're looking to cut people because they need money to pay for tokens.

And the quickest way to do that is get rid of people.

I don't know how we solve for that.

I don't know that we ever do.

Unless those companies start making more money, but if they make more money, it's going to go towards tokens, maybe.

And this also spins into – okay, I'm being very doomist right now – The people I'm most concerned about, we've talked about juniors and it's like, what do juniors do? I'm thinking about the people coming out straight out with a CS degree right now.

It's like, what do they do? It's like being from Dallas area and growing up on the East Coast, it's nothing like the West Coast because there seems to be a lot more technical options here, at least in the U.S., than there is anywhere else in the States.

What do you say to somebody that's coming out of school? It's like, okay, what do I do to just go and work at the local coffee shop now? Because I put in 50 resumes and nothing's happening.

Right.

I'd want your thoughts on this because there are legitimate companies, and I would say this is like the hyperscalers, that have AI bills to pay and have made the choice between the AI bills and people.

And certainly you see those articles.

That said, that is not the majority of customers.

There's people basically stapling themselves on because of economic reasons that really have nothing to do with what is your AI bill on doing layoffs.

And you're starting to see the backlash on using AI as the excuse for all layoffs.

But again, this is sort of like my personal take on that.

Everybody just stapling on that.

Back to your other question.

I think there is a level of uncertainty on what is the future.

There's, again, sort of two ways to look at that.

It's the pessimistic doomsday scenario or the opportunistic scenario.

Never before has a junior developer been able to build or run their own business, the sort of business of zero.

And I've seen some of the examples where you're talking about like, hey, we have our agentic workforce or our digital workforce.

And I think that's a really interesting example on how people can adapt and learn in this new environment.

We Salesforce have just recently, and I'm trying to think of how many total people it was, but we just hired a number of undergraduate folks.

There's just brilliant people out there and we weren't hiring.