Aug 10, 2026 · 50 min · 16 segments
Two manifestos written at the same time, 3,000 miles apart: One is by legendary punk singer Kathleen Hanna; the other by a man enraged watching his people die of AIDS. Through them, Dan concludes his…
Dan TaberskiHost
Kathleen HannaGuestDavid RobinsonGuest
Avram FinkelsteinGuest
[gentle music] This whole time, I've been circling around how to avoid the violence.
Can we move forward without the bullet, without the bomb? It's an instinct, really, that civilized people do, I think, to keep pointing at that imaginary line that we just won't cross.
None of the manifesto writers or followers I met were looking for violence outright, but in their exasperation at their circumstances, violence always seemed to be there, circling, waiting for our patience to finally die.
Violence is needed sometimes.
Rich people have never moved off their butts, and all the government has never given any group anything.
We just, if you just ask for it, they have always given it when they have feared something.
They feared the violence.
If you want revolution, somebody has to die.
I heard it with Michael Pelagatti, the security guard who occupied Wall Street.
What do desperate, homeless, hungry people do? They, they, they, they, when they have nothing to lose, they lose it.
And it can very well, it will happen again.
Let's just be, uh, reassured.
It will happen again.
Such is the nature of man.
WowI don't give a fuck about humanity
[laughs] Fuck off, dick.
[laughs]
It was there with the pubic practical jokes, God help us, every taboo trampled upon.
It was in throwing what's left of your lover on the doorstep of the President of the United States.
[gentle music] This whole time, I've been circling around how to avoid the violence.
Can we move forward without the bullet, without the bomb? It's an instinct, really, that civilized people do, I think, to keep pointing at that imaginary line that we just won't cross.
None of the manifesto writers or followers I met were looking for violence outright, but in their exasperation at their circumstances, violence always seemed to be there, circling, waiting for our patience to finally die.
Violence is needed sometimes.
Rich people have never moved off their butts, and all the government has never given any group anything.
We just, if you just ask for it, they have always given it when they have feared something.
They feared the violence.
If you want revolution, somebody has to die.
I heard it with Michael Pelagatti, the security guard who occupied Wall Street.
What do desperate, homeless, hungry people do? They, they, they, they, when they have nothing to lose, they lose it.
And it can very well, it will happen again.
Let's just be, uh, reassured.
It will happen again.
Such is the nature of man.
WowI don't give a fuck about humanity
[laughs] Fuck off, dick.
[laughs]
It was there with the pubic practical jokes, God help us, every taboo trampled upon.
It was in throwing what's left of your lover on the doorstep of the President of the United States.
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