Do you remember what that was, what you were trying to say?

Honestly, I actually think, still, I was trying to motivate people by expressing the hopelessness.

Um, 'cause I did end up doing an action that was- Directly about taking the absolute worst of our, of our grief, the, of, of what had happened, and still trying to make a difference.

[drumming]

[singing]

It stripped away all of the symbolism and metaphor about the deaths and brought it to the reality of, "This is what we're left with," you know, bones, [scoffs] ashes.

This is, we're not talking about anything abstract was what we were saying.

This is what we are losing.

came from

I think it was my wife's idea.

She said, why don't you do a table with an otter on it? Everybody loves otters, which they do, of course.

And my inspiration really for the first otter table was a day I was fishing on a loch up on the Isle of Coal.

So I spent a lot of time on the Isle of Coal over the last 40 years.

and I was up on the mill log casting, and I could see this ripple and object making its way 100 yards away, maybe.

And if I stand here really quietly, maybe it'll come a little bit closer.

Seriously? An otter stood up? Yes,

piece in here

You see this piece here, it's the other half of that piece over there.

Perfect.

Not a knot in it.

And you see where the grain is at the end, just going down there, where you can see the annual rings, and we're right in the middle of it.

And the trick really, or a trick, when you're carving any kind of animal like that, is if you can get that crown... down the centre line, then as you carve into it, the grain will appear like contours almost, you know, round the head.

And so it's balanced and everything's in the right place.

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