Sep 8, 2026 · 32 min · 16 segments
In this BONUS episode of CYBR.SEC.CAST, Michael Farnum and Sam Van Ryder sit down with Wil Klusovsky, Chief Revenue Officer at viLogics, ahead of his CYBR.SEC.CON. 2026 session, “The Four Horsemen of…
Wil KlusovskyGuest
Michael FarnumHost
Sam Van RyderHost
We fit somewhere between B sides and a one of the bigger cons but what I like about what you did with it is you're taking something that most people see as a dry topic and putting and that's no insult right it's just it's just what it is but putting that non-pretentious cool geeky title on it because I think more people need to be drawn in to talk such as yourselves in order to mature from a viewpoint mature from a career mature just in general you can't Everybody wants to hack the planet and stay in the weeds all the time.
But I was having a conversation with somebody trying to get into cybersecurity the other day, and they were talking about the governance and the program building and all that stuff.
is not an entry-level job into cybersecurity or shouldn't be, but a lot of people consider it that way.
So like from that non-pretentious way of getting into something that a lot of people consider pretentious and dry and boring, what attracted you to that world?
And you encapsulated everything that I kind of think about, which is this is an important topic.
And it's something I struggle with a lot too, because in my career, because I've been the problem solver, I've always had to know, like, I like to say, I know a whole little about a lot.
Because I was always the person who had to sit in front of the people doing the job and dealing with the challenge.
And one day that was pen testing, another day it's security monitoring, another day it's compliance.
I never really worked in a SOC or was a firewall engineer for any amount of time.
And when they tell me what's going on, I understand like, oh, so if you want to do this, there's that.
But because of my skill set, I always like the things that I talk about are the business, the GRC side, building a program, thinking holistically, viewing it.
We fit somewhere between B sides and a one of the bigger cons but what I like about what you did with it is you're taking something that most people see as a dry topic and putting and that's no insult right it's just it's just what it is but putting that non-pretentious cool geeky title on it because I think more people need to be drawn in to talk such as yourselves in order to mature from a viewpoint mature from a career mature just in general you can't Everybody wants to hack the planet and stay in the weeds all the time.
But I was having a conversation with somebody trying to get into cybersecurity the other day, and they were talking about the governance and the program building and all that stuff.
is not an entry-level job into cybersecurity or shouldn't be, but a lot of people consider it that way.
So like from that non-pretentious way of getting into something that a lot of people consider pretentious and dry and boring, what attracted you to that world?
And you encapsulated everything that I kind of think about, which is this is an important topic.
And it's something I struggle with a lot too, because in my career, because I've been the problem solver, I've always had to know, like, I like to say, I know a whole little about a lot.
Because I was always the person who had to sit in front of the people doing the job and dealing with the challenge.
And one day that was pen testing, another day it's security monitoring, another day it's compliance.
I never really worked in a SOC or was a firewall engineer for any amount of time.
And when they tell me what's going on, I understand like, oh, so if you want to do this, there's that.
But because of my skill set, I always like the things that I talk about are the business, the GRC side, building a program, thinking holistically, viewing it.
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