So like from that non-pretentious way of getting into something that a lot of people consider pretentious and dry and boring, what attracted you to that world?

I love it.

And you encapsulated everything that I kind of think about, which is this is an important topic.

And it's something I struggle with a lot too, because in my career, because I've been the problem solver, I've always had to know, like, I like to say, I know a whole little about a lot.

Because I was always the person who had to sit in front of the people doing the job and dealing with the challenge.

And one day that was pen testing, another day it's security monitoring, another day it's compliance.

So I had to have that CISO expansion mindset.

parting thoughts before we jump off of here?

So, Will, tell us a little about yourself, your background, and what you do there at B-Logix.

Yeah, sure.

First off, thanks.

I appreciate it.

Anytime anybody tells me they like the content, that makes me happy because that's why I do it.

There's parts of it I should outsource, like the visuals, because it takes me forever.

But it's the part I like the most, so I keep doing it.

But how do I size that in dollars? Or from the risk potential, and how do I mitigate it? And how much does that go to cost? And how do I translate that from a technical standpoint to the board so they can understand? Is it as simple as just an education? Or is there a capital or dollars you see that we're going to have to get behind this?