Culture, Power, Politics » Podcast
Aug 25, 2026 · 1 hr 34 min · 10 segments
This is actually an episode of the Love is the Message podcast that I decided to pop in the *Culture, Power, Politics* feed, partly because I think it will…
David WilkinsonGuestI mean, we can dwell a bit more on the type of guy that Mark E. Smith was, because I entirely agree with you, and his sort of genealogy.
But to sum up the kind of political relevance in April 2026, when we were recording this, Mark Eastmeath is absolutely, he's the type of guy who you could well imagine voting for reform because he liked Brexit.
But you could also imagine that in the recent Gorton and Denton by-election, he'd have voted Green because he liked the kind of, you know, he liked the kind of blonde, you know, working class plumber.
And it's a type of guy who's sort of important, actually, politically, partly because they can go either way.
And so it's an important type of guy to try to understand politically and sort of aesthetically.
And part of the, I think, the very persuasive sort of... gambit of your article actually is to suggest that understand in a way understanding the fall is going to help us understand that type of guy in ways that could end up being potentially useful
yeah absolutely that yeah i mean yeah you said like he might have voted for hannah spencer in that green candidate in that by-election and i think that's that's very true like he had a lot of time for him
If only once it became clear to him that Sarma would be more pissed off by Spencer winning than Goodwin.
There's no question he'd hate Matthew Goodwin more than he'd hate Hannah Spencer.
Yeah, I was going to say he had a lot of time for Rebecca Long-Bailey, the Salford MP.
He admitted to voting Tory a few times in the 80s, but he also loved Derek Hatton, who were in his kind of Trotskyist phase as, you know, as a leader of Liverpool council defying, you know, central government led by Margaret Thatcher.
That goes back to the working class weird, and it goes back to the way in which that nostalgic, intransigent sort of strands.
I mean, we can dwell a bit more on the type of guy that Mark E. Smith was, because I entirely agree with you, and his sort of genealogy.
But to sum up the kind of political relevance in April 2026, when we were recording this, Mark Eastmeath is absolutely, he's the type of guy who you could well imagine voting for reform because he liked Brexit.
But you could also imagine that in the recent Gorton and Denton by-election, he'd have voted Green because he liked the kind of, you know, he liked the kind of blonde, you know, working class plumber.
And it's a type of guy who's sort of important, actually, politically, partly because they can go either way.
And so it's an important type of guy to try to understand politically and sort of aesthetically.
And part of the, I think, the very persuasive sort of... gambit of your article actually is to suggest that understand in a way understanding the fall is going to help us understand that type of guy in ways that could end up being potentially useful
yeah absolutely that yeah i mean yeah you said like he might have voted for hannah spencer in that green candidate in that by-election and i think that's that's very true like he had a lot of time for him
If only once it became clear to him that Sarma would be more pissed off by Spencer winning than Goodwin.
There's no question he'd hate Matthew Goodwin more than he'd hate Hannah Spencer.
Yeah, I was going to say he had a lot of time for Rebecca Long-Bailey, the Salford MP.
He admitted to voting Tory a few times in the 80s, but he also loved Derek Hatton, who were in his kind of Trotskyist phase as, you know, as a leader of Liverpool council defying, you know, central government led by Margaret Thatcher.
That goes back to the working class weird, and it goes back to the way in which that nostalgic, intransigent sort of strands.
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