Jeremy Corbyn

So I- I saw Brexit as a massive threat to things getting even, making things get even worse.

And so I started putting out content, 'cause I could see that the p- conversation being led by David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn just wasn't cutting it, um, they weren't explaining the basics.

Um, and so I started putting out more and more content.

A- and, and then when we lost the referendum, I started basically watching Nigel Farage on his news- new- on his LBC show every day, 6:00 PM, uh, every day, figured out all of his arguments and then started calling him up, and gradually got him-

I mean, Labour conferences over the years have often been fractious for a variety of reasons.

Under Corbyn, there was, you know, the PLP were not happy with his leadership.

There was a lot of, you know, pro-Palestine stuff, you know, back then during the, might well be now.

And it was always like they had a bit of Millwall West Ham going on at every single conference conference.

I think it's quite likely that she will be mayor, but it's by no means straightforward.

So as British viewers will be familiar with the Corbyn playbook of accusing the party and the leader, in this case very much the party, of anti-Semitism due to links with Palestine activists, We've really seen the German press going into overload on this.

I think actually possibly even more extreme than the British press during the Corbyn years, saying that Hamas have won in Berlin.

Now, Eralp herself is hardly a pro-Palestine figure.

She was one of the latest in Germany to describe what happened in Gaza as a genocide.

But of course, he has engaged in politics before.

In 2021, he joined other artists in calling on the US Senate to pass the Equality Act, which would have given federal protections against sexual orientation and gender identity discrimination.

In 2017, he announced his support for Jeremy Corbyn.

And I understand where that's coming from, but I don't think he can exist in the world as it stands right now without acknowledging some things.

And in the past, he has supported Jeremy Corbyn at a general election in Britain, but And in 2022, he actually performed at the concert for Ukraine alongside many other artists, which raised money for humanitarian relief after Russia's invasion.

So it's interesting that here he says he doesn't want to have a political opinion, but it got to the point where the backlash was so strong that he had to take a stand.

And the problem is now that he has, it opens up the whole field to a whole world of too much and not enough on either side.

To me, he seemed to continuously support what the Israeli actions were doing there.

And I wonder if you can also tell us about his role in unseating Jeremy Corbyn, because that also was connected to a lot of the discussions and arguments that have been going on these days in terms of anti-Semitism, in terms of removing a politician who was staunchly pro-Palestine on charges of anti-Semitism.

And he was one of those that was leading this crusade and somehow then was put into this position of being prime minister.

And so there's a kind of, seems to me, I mean, you're the expert, but it seems like there's a consistency that leads Stammer to kind of make the kinds of policies and statements that he was doing that were not so much just a mistake or I'm too shy or, you know, I don't want to kind of get into this or I'm kind of sympathetic to the fact that my wife is Jewish and I've sort of leaned towards that.

It was extraordinary.

And you just saw this time and time again.

In terms of his role with Corbyn, he wasn't in the vanguard of doing this in the early days when Jeremy was leader, because actually Keir Starmer was part of his shadow cabinet.

He was part of that team.

The problem is, with the soft left, is it doesn't have any boundaries for the far left.

It doesn't have any lines in the sand where it says, we're this left wing, we won't go further than that, and it ends up with Corbyn taking over the Labour Party.

You can see exactly the same thing happening in the right wing of British politics now.

There is nothing that Farage can do that would make the Daily Telegraph criticise him

that's another thing he brings up is the idea that you have two political parties that are kind of similar.

You could say the UK is like that, where the Labour Party, when it has someone like Jeremy Corbyn, lost its mind and got him out.

And then it has someone that's kind of more, wouldn't be, would be sort of seen as the left wing on the Conservative Party is now in charge.

So they're never too far away.

attempt to be apolitical um it is really interesting though hearing ed sheeran say that he's never wanted to be an activist musician and look that's that's a really high bar to say that you know we don't if someone doesn't want to take a stand or pick sides in general wants to keep their music free of politics we have to judge them by their own lights and when you look at ed sheeran's career There have been multiple times where he has, you know, chimed in on specific political issues like the Ukraine or music against racism.

And we've also seen that he's supported as an individual and musically particular candidates like Jeremy Corbyn, for example.

So I think there's also the question of we have a right to expect consistency from people if they claim to be or want to put themselves forward to be apolitical.

It's very, very hard to do that sometimes, but not other times.