Now, Dr. Tristin Engels is back with me as we follow Ted Kaczynski to his shocking unraveling and ask what it really means to be heard.
By the late 1970s, 36-year-old Ted Kaczynski was living alone in a remote cabin in Lincoln, Montana.
He'd become increasingly isolated and fully convinced that modern technology and powerful institutions were destroying human freedom.
In 1978 and again in 1979, he delivered homemade bombs to the campus of Northwestern University, injuring the people who opened them.
However, the public didn't react the way he hoped, no one picked up on his message, and the world carried on, business as usual.
He needed to find a way to stop the industrial world in its tracks, through utter devastation.
This time, instead of going after a university, he'd target a commercial airline.
To him, airlines represented technological dependence and blind public trust.
They were complex systems that functioned only because people believed they were safe, and it was up to him to break that trust.
So in his mind, that likely meant he needed to send a message that couldn't be ignored.
Psychologically, that suggests that his dehumanization was worsening, and we talked about that in episode one.
He's rigid in his thinking, and that rigidity intensified the more isolated he became.
When there's no reaction and no validation, someone like him is more likely to double down and go bigger rather than reconsider their actions.
Now, Dr. Tristin Engels is back with me as we follow Ted Kaczynski to his shocking unraveling and ask what it really means to be heard.
By the late 1970s, 36-year-old Ted Kaczynski was living alone in a remote cabin in Lincoln, Montana.
He'd become increasingly isolated and fully convinced that modern technology and powerful institutions were destroying human freedom.
In 1978 and again in 1979, he delivered homemade bombs to the campus of Northwestern University, injuring the people who opened them.
However, the public didn't react the way he hoped, no one picked up on his message, and the world carried on, business as usual.
He needed to find a way to stop the industrial world in its tracks, through utter devastation.
This time, instead of going after a university, he'd target a commercial airline.
To him, airlines represented technological dependence and blind public trust.
They were complex systems that functioned only because people believed they were safe, and it was up to him to break that trust.
So in his mind, that likely meant he needed to send a message that couldn't be ignored.
Psychologically, that suggests that his dehumanization was worsening, and we talked about that in episode one.
He's rigid in his thinking, and that rigidity intensified the more isolated he became.
When there's no reaction and no validation, someone like him is more likely to double down and go bigger rather than reconsider their actions.
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