Lincoln

Now, Dr. Tristin Engels is back with me as we follow Ted Kaczynski to his shocking unraveling and ask what it really means to be heard.

By the late 1970s, 36-year-old Ted Kaczynski was living alone in a remote cabin in Lincoln, Montana.

He'd become increasingly isolated and fully convinced that modern technology and powerful institutions were destroying human freedom.

After years of reflection, Ted had decided words were not enough.

If he would do it, no, if he would, but, man, that would be fascinating.

he ended up just living in a cabin in lincoln montana growing his own vegetables hunting rabbits like he says the best part at the

time of his life he's out there by himself i

think as a child prodigy everybody looked at him as how they can use him oh this kid's really smart i wonder what he can solve for us they just pushed all this mathematics he's like who cares if i know this things and about circles or whatever like yeah i'm able to do this but like this isn't fulfilling for me i don't have any autonomy you're making me do this because i know how to do this yeah but i want to i want to farm and hunt and i want to do other stuff you know but they're like that's such a waste of your gift

I think our movie basically portrays him still within the lens that most people see him, and most other projects that I had seen seen him in.

But for example, there were things like when we went, we were shooting in Lincoln, Montana, and we met people who had met him, and most people were like, "He was weird, he was creepy, he was quiet." There was one person who was his friend who was the librarian, and she, she really liked him.

Yes.

I think her name was Sherry.

to Michigan.

One thing that sticks out was when we were riding in Lincoln, Montana, we were near the Continental Divide.

It was sort of raining when we were getting to the end of our ride that day.

And by the time we finished, it was snowing.

We helped sponsor it, came out, filmed a video on the United by Trucks channel about it.

One of the coolest events I've ever been to was in Lincoln, Montana, which is really like an area that stopped in time.

Yes.

But still has all the cool factor.

Well said.

Yeah, I think that might be the title of this podcast.

Do you do you anticipate leaving or having it in Lincoln again? Yeah.

I know at some point you've talked about doing it in different places.

That's what Kaczynski's dream was.

By 1971, Kaczynski is living on roughly a one and a half acre parcel of land, about four miles outside of Lincoln, Montana, in a tiny cabin that he builds largely himself without electricity or running

water.

When I was the executive or consulting producer for Manhunt Unabomber, I finally went to visit the set in Atlanta when they were shooting.