Sep 9, 2026 · 53 min · 11 segments
In this episode of Clocking Out, we meet Matt Devine, who learned discipline the Canadian way: on the ice, and later in the ring. Hockey gave way to kickboxing, kickboxing gave way to ambition, and…
Raymond LeeHost
Like, that honesty around what was the driver I feel like is so real because, like, when I- I- I see and hear about what you just described, where people are on a pathway in a career, and I remember my first job.

Like, I absolutely loved it, but I ultimately ended up leaving because I felt like it was, that chapter was done.

So it was, like, the combination of getting a promotion, more responsibility, and then more money.

You know, that combination alone takes you to a new place, but the work's different.

And as you just keep growing up, the stakes change, and it's almost like, I'm generalizing here, Matt, but it's like you've just become more and more disconnected from your identity of who you are and- and then you hit this breaking point where it's like, "Who am I?"
Um, you know, you mentioned getting the, the next prize, the next, the next job, the next promotion, the next responsibility.
These are all triggered by this dopamine hit that we get, and we become addicted to that dopamine hit.
You see it play out in midlife crises all the time where men are buying sports cars and motorcycles.
The problem with that is, is that it takes more and more and more to uplift the dopamine, and you start to have to work harder for these bigger and bigger and bigger prizes.

Like, that honesty around what was the driver I feel like is so real because, like, when I- I- I see and hear about what you just described, where people are on a pathway in a career, and I remember my first job.

Like, I absolutely loved it, but I ultimately ended up leaving because I felt like it was, that chapter was done.

So it was, like, the combination of getting a promotion, more responsibility, and then more money.

You know, that combination alone takes you to a new place, but the work's different.

And as you just keep growing up, the stakes change, and it's almost like, I'm generalizing here, Matt, but it's like you've just become more and more disconnected from your identity of who you are and- and then you hit this breaking point where it's like, "Who am I?"
Um, you know, you mentioned getting the, the next prize, the next, the next job, the next promotion, the next responsibility.
These are all triggered by this dopamine hit that we get, and we become addicted to that dopamine hit.
You see it play out in midlife crises all the time where men are buying sports cars and motorcycles.
The problem with that is, is that it takes more and more and more to uplift the dopamine, and you start to have to work harder for these bigger and bigger and bigger prizes.
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