Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street Radio
Sep 23, 2026 · 58 min · 26 segments
For this week's bonus, we're going back into the archives with our good friends Grant Barrett and Martha Barnette from the radio show *A Way With Words*. In our first-ever episode together from 2019…
Lior Lev SercarzGuest
Sara MoultonHost
Martha BarnetteGuestJ.M. HirschHi, Chris.
I'm a professional baker and I, I write cookbooks.
But I've noticed over the years when you bake with buttermilk in some other books I've seen, they always say add the baking soda to the buttermilk first before you add it to the recipe.
And I always sort of see that as watching the leavening disappear before my eyes-
... before it even gets added to the recipe.
I'm wondering about your take on that or why recipes would mention that technique.
I make buttermilk biscuits all the time, and you always add the baking powder or baking soda directly to the flour with any sugar or salt.
Mm-hmm.
Some older recipes sometimes had the leavener put into warm or hot water.
Oh, that's interesting.
Hi, Chris.
I'm a professional baker and I, I write cookbooks.
But I've noticed over the years when you bake with buttermilk in some other books I've seen, they always say add the baking soda to the buttermilk first before you add it to the recipe.
And I always sort of see that as watching the leavening disappear before my eyes-
... before it even gets added to the recipe.
I'm wondering about your take on that or why recipes would mention that technique.
I make buttermilk biscuits all the time, and you always add the baking powder or baking soda directly to the flour with any sugar or salt.
Mm-hmm.
Some older recipes sometimes had the leavener put into warm or hot water.
Oh, that's interesting.
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