Jun 30, 2026 · 31 min · 10 segments
Most of the AI conversation is fixated on AGI: when machines will match human intelligence, and which lab gets there first. Dr. Craig Kaplan thinks that is the wrong thing to watch. The real story is…
Craig KaplanGuest
Mary-Rose LyonsHost

I'm Mary-Rose Lyons, your host, and today have I got a super interesting human for you.

He's been specializing in artificial intelligence since the mid-1980s, my friends.

He earned his doctorate from Carnegie Mellon University, where he co-authored research with none other than Nobel laureate and Turing Award winner Dr. Herbert A. Simon.

Since 2020, his IQ company has been dedicated to safe and profitable paths to ASI.

He advocates for architectures and governance models that's going to make super intelligence safer before it arrives.


Can you define for people who are listening, what is ASI? What is artificial superintelligence? Because I think AGI gets a lot of the good news inches.
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