Oct 15, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 11 segments
What if giving away your profits actually made your business stronger? In this milestone 200th episode of Business For Good, host Paul Shapiro sits down with Peter Singer, widely regarded as the…
Paul ShapiroHost
You know, for our 100th episode of this podcast, we had on this billionaire, Steve Jurvetson, which to this day is among our most popular episodes of all time.

You are the esteemed guest on our 200th episode, and you've recently made headlines for disagreeing with the common refrain we hear from some on the left these days that there's no such thing as an ethical billionaire.
Yeah, well, firstly, I think it's possible, at least under present social systems and tax systems, it's possible to earn a billion dollars without violating any ethical rules.
In fact, maybe you're producing a product that people want and that benefits them, and the system rewards you by giving you one or more billions.
Now, the question then is, what should you do with it? Should you say, oh, my goodness, I'm a billionaire.
I think that would be the wrong thing to do because it takes a lot of thought and planning to actually give away money, that amount of money, as effectively as possible to do as much good as possible.
So I think you ought to retain that money for a while while you assemble the evidence about what would be the best thing to do with it.
So I wouldn't give it all away at once, even after you've spent, let's say, three months acquiring the evidence.
So you might want to try different things, give some sums to some organizations, see what they do with it.
So I think it's ethical to be a billionaire while you're thinking about how to use the billions you've got to do the most good.

Yeah, it's definitely hard to imagine why it seems inherently unethical to become a billionaire in the first place.

Like if you were to ask Taylor Swift, should she stop performing concerts? Or if you were to ask J.K.

Rowling, should she have stopped writing books? It seems hard to believe that that was unethical for them to continue making money from their concerts and their books.

Once you're at a billion, the money makes so much money, you really have to start giving a lot away.

You know, for our 100th episode of this podcast, we had on this billionaire, Steve Jurvetson, which to this day is among our most popular episodes of all time.

You are the esteemed guest on our 200th episode, and you've recently made headlines for disagreeing with the common refrain we hear from some on the left these days that there's no such thing as an ethical billionaire.
Yeah, well, firstly, I think it's possible, at least under present social systems and tax systems, it's possible to earn a billion dollars without violating any ethical rules.
In fact, maybe you're producing a product that people want and that benefits them, and the system rewards you by giving you one or more billions.
Now, the question then is, what should you do with it? Should you say, oh, my goodness, I'm a billionaire.
I think that would be the wrong thing to do because it takes a lot of thought and planning to actually give away money, that amount of money, as effectively as possible to do as much good as possible.
So I think you ought to retain that money for a while while you assemble the evidence about what would be the best thing to do with it.
So I wouldn't give it all away at once, even after you've spent, let's say, three months acquiring the evidence.
So you might want to try different things, give some sums to some organizations, see what they do with it.
So I think it's ethical to be a billionaire while you're thinking about how to use the billions you've got to do the most good.

Yeah, it's definitely hard to imagine why it seems inherently unethical to become a billionaire in the first place.

Like if you were to ask Taylor Swift, should she stop performing concerts? Or if you were to ask J.K.

Rowling, should she have stopped writing books? It seems hard to believe that that was unethical for them to continue making money from their concerts and their books.

Once you're at a billion, the money makes so much money, you really have to start giving a lot away.
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