Jun 1, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 12 segments
Build the product. Find the team. Then go to market. That's the playbook everyone follows. Frank Greef did it completely differently when building Kinso AI. After founding Real Hub, merging with his…
Frank GreefGuest
Tahlia KennedyGuestJess WhatmanHost
How can Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan be trained or coached by a person who wasn't a professional basketball player? It's because that person didn't have to be good at basketball.
I often hear of founders, "It's just easier if I do it myself." [laughs] What do you say to that?

That one is definitely a lie, and it's one of those lies which, which holds you back in business.

People who are gonna become the most dangerous, in my opinion, over the next five years of-
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How can Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan be trained or coached by a person who wasn't a professional basketball player? It's because that person didn't have to be good at basketball.
I often hear of founders, "It's just easier if I do it myself." [laughs] What do you say to that?

That one is definitely a lie, and it's one of those lies which, which holds you back in business.

People who are gonna become the most dangerous, in my opinion, over the next five years of-