Aug 12, 2026 · 1 hr 11 min · 11 segments
How might humans relate to other beings if we saw ourselves as animals? What if beastliness had positive qualities, instead of being seen as a defect to exorcise? Which natural tendencies might we…
Elizabeth Sulis KimGuestDaniel SimpsonHostAnd just finally thinking about stories and the ones that you've told in this book, but also that might be in your mind, just in association with talking about it.
Is there anything else that you wanted people to be aware of that we haven't touched on so far?
I feel like I have said most of what I want to say in the book, I do feel like I don't want to be too didactic by giving people a real strong sense of this is what I want you to learn from it.
But I think we have all these stories and they help us understand how we feel about the world and what we are passionate about, what we're averse to.
And it does seem that for the most part, we strive towards being good but the reality is we often stray from those ideals and then we tell ourselves stories about why.
And I think from becoming more intentional storytelling creatures, we can tell better stories and that will very much be a constant process of retelling.
It won't necessarily look like excavating stories from the past or from other cultures, but thinking about what we need now And from my perspective, we live in a time of ecological crisis, inequality between humans, between animals, and ourselves as another type of animal.
And we clearly need to have a different framework, a more intentional framework for getting along together.
Well, it's definitely non-didactic and hopefully leave space for people to imagine those stories and to start seeing that as a co-created process that's for collective benefit.
And just finally thinking about stories and the ones that you've told in this book, but also that might be in your mind, just in association with talking about it.
Is there anything else that you wanted people to be aware of that we haven't touched on so far?
I feel like I have said most of what I want to say in the book, I do feel like I don't want to be too didactic by giving people a real strong sense of this is what I want you to learn from it.
But I think we have all these stories and they help us understand how we feel about the world and what we are passionate about, what we're averse to.
And it does seem that for the most part, we strive towards being good but the reality is we often stray from those ideals and then we tell ourselves stories about why.
And I think from becoming more intentional storytelling creatures, we can tell better stories and that will very much be a constant process of retelling.
It won't necessarily look like excavating stories from the past or from other cultures, but thinking about what we need now And from my perspective, we live in a time of ecological crisis, inequality between humans, between animals, and ourselves as another type of animal.
And we clearly need to have a different framework, a more intentional framework for getting along together.
Well, it's definitely non-didactic and hopefully leave space for people to imagine those stories and to start seeing that as a co-created process that's for collective benefit.
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