What is it actually like to take ibogaine? Jonathan Dickinson, CEO of Ambio Life Sciences and author of *Ibogaine and the Bicameral Mind*, takes us inside the flood dose: why you can't stand up for hours, why it's closer to a waking dream than a psychedelic trip, and what the people he's treated say they saw.
We also get into the book's big ideas (Lacan's "the Real" and Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind), why the benefits can arrive even when nothing seems to happen, and the real medical risk, including deaths.
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📚 Jonathan's book and work: jonathandickinson.ca · Ambio Life Sciences: ambio.life
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**Episode Breakdown**
- (0:00) Opening
- (0:52) Ad
- (1:34) Interview Begins
- (4:11) What ibogaine is, and where it comes from
- (7:12) An oneirogen, not a psychedelic
- (14:03) Inside a flood dose
- (20:22) Visions, hallucinations, and false memories
- (26:35) Nobody says ibogaine is easy
- (35:19) Lacan, the Real, and why discomfort heals
- (44:33) The bicameral mind
- (56:04) Ad
- (57:14) No, I think it gets weirder
- (1:06:46) What to believe about what you saw
- (1:15:22) Ancestors and the realm of the dead
- (1:19:52) Leo Zeff, the Secret Chief
- (1:26:06) Patreon Thanks
- (1:28:04) When nothing happens, and it works anyway
- (1:38:28) The medical risk, and people have died
- (1:40:25) Leaving the country, and what it costs
- (1:48:49) Follow up links
- (1:52:05) Outro
