Claudio Naranjo

And, um, I will go ahead here and say that, like, I'm not interested in studying the DSM right now, uh, or bringing any of the medical perspective to bear here.

Really gonna stick with the Enneagram, specifically Claudio Naranjo's Enneagram.

And so for this Barcast, I'm actually just gonna pretty much read very slowly chapter-- well, the, the chapter on avarice on the Enneatype five, um, with a little bit of commentary as a way to ground ourselves because, uh, uh, Naranjo, to his great credit, is a deep scholar of, like, the literature and the antecedents of his own work.

And so I think, um, this may be a little bit dry, but if you're, uh, if you're interested in, in the five, I think you're gonna learn a lot from this.

He just wanted to sit with people, talk with them, understand their lives, their childhoods, and, and support them in getting over, you know, the places that they were stuck or holding energy.

And as the kind of '70s progressed, you know, people like Claudio Naranjo, who was, is a famous Chilean psychiatrist, you know, helped him put it into a program that was able to be more than just Bob delivering, but something that could reach more people.

Because what he was doing was creating tremendous results.

And so it took on a lot of iterations of ways that it was delivered all through the late '60s and into the mid-'80s before it actually settled into being a, a retreat format as we do now.

It's, it's just too loaded, okay? And mmm, I, I thought there could be something better.

So after a lot of time, I decided, and some of the inspiration came from Claudio Naranjo, um, you know, when in Character Neurosis he talks about these types being, uh, adaptive strategies.

I liked that term, and I thought, "Oh, okay, I'm gonna use that." The types are rooted in a strategy, and then it just became, well, what is the strategy? The terminology I used was striving to...

Originally we were saying striving to be.

But there was some other intrusion upon their experience that seemed to come from outside of the sort of normal pattern of thinking.

And When Claudio Naranjo, who was an early pioneer in the psychedelic field, started working with Ibogaine, he recognized that Ibogaine actually had something sort of comparable to that.

And so he started to describe Ibogaine as a neurophrenic substance.

And so I think the way that I try to describe it is when you take something like LSD or psilocybin, it can kind of feel like the world around you is... lit up or saturated with movement and breath and meaning and even the things that you're feeling internally like your thoughts and your emotions also feel like they're saturated with significance and eminence And so, you know, as this inflation happens, like the boundary between inside and outside is sort of challenged and renegotiated in ways that are really interesting.