Jun 30, 2026 · 1 hr 23 min · 10 segments
Why are so many companies betting on neutral atoms to build the first useful quantum computers? In this episode, we speak with Mark Saffman, professor at the University of Wisconsin–Madison and one…
Mark SaffmanGuestMikhail ShalaginovHost
In the world we live in, if we turn around and come back to where we started, three hundred and sixty degrees, nothing changed.

But in quantum mechanics, if you take this spin one-half or two-level object and rotate it through three hundred and sixty degrees, it picks up a minus sign.

And so I have to go twice around, seven hundred and twenty degrees, to come back to where I started.

Feynman wrote this wonderful little book actually talking about this, where he tries to explain in very intuitive terms, or as intuitive as one can get, as to why you have this minus sign when you rotate a fermion.
This week, Misha spoke with Mark Saffman, professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and one of the pioneers of neutral atom quantum computing.
Over the past two decades, Saffman has helped transform Rydberg atoms from a theoretical idea into one of the leading architectures for building scalable quantum computers.
Today, we discuss the physics of Rydberg blockade, the engineering challenges of scaling to millions of qubits, and why neutral atoms may offer a unique path toward fault-tolerant quantum computing.
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