Oct 13, 2026 · 1 hr 31 min · 14 segments
This week on The 10forty Podcast, we sit down with **Dr Dan Fitzpatrick**, former Irish Defence Forces member, mental health advocate, researcher and author of The Cognitive Gorilla: Reclaiming…
Conor FosterHost
And was any of your recommendations implemented during your time there or after you've left?
That is a really interesting question because some of the problem with academia is... academia kind of ends up in a repository, right? So Trinity College have what's known as a repository of mental health connected to the Defence Forces.
And they have some very credible, some really good people in there who have done some really good research.
But one of the questions I have, what happens after? These are great stories and they tell us lovely things and they tell us, oh, mental health is this and, you know, health provision is this.
And the second part of my study then was I interviewed six key stakeholders in the organization, very senior people in the organization.
And they had agreed actually at the time to be identified by their position.
it actually would have been unfair to them, you know, to reveal who they were.
Because, like, you know, you would only have to know the position and then know what time the study was at the year and you would know the person, you know.
And it was just really unfair because they were very honest about it, you know.
So the outcome of it was I said to myself, look, this has to mean something, you know, this has to mean something.
So I took my recommendations and I developed what's now called the Defence Forces Integrated Mental Health Governance Framework.
And it's a sort of 60-page document with sort of these five pillars around pathway of care.

And was any of your recommendations implemented during your time there or after you've left?
That is a really interesting question because some of the problem with academia is... academia kind of ends up in a repository, right? So Trinity College have what's known as a repository of mental health connected to the Defence Forces.
And they have some very credible, some really good people in there who have done some really good research.
But one of the questions I have, what happens after? These are great stories and they tell us lovely things and they tell us, oh, mental health is this and, you know, health provision is this.
And the second part of my study then was I interviewed six key stakeholders in the organization, very senior people in the organization.
And they had agreed actually at the time to be identified by their position.
it actually would have been unfair to them, you know, to reveal who they were.
Because, like, you know, you would only have to know the position and then know what time the study was at the year and you would know the person, you know.
And it was just really unfair because they were very honest about it, you know.
So the outcome of it was I said to myself, look, this has to mean something, you know, this has to mean something.
So I took my recommendations and I developed what's now called the Defence Forces Integrated Mental Health Governance Framework.
And it's a sort of 60-page document with sort of these five pillars around pathway of care.
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