Zen Center of Los Angeles Podcast
Jul 10, 2026 · 51 min · 13 segments
"Here there is aim, but no target. So we just sit in the midst of this contradiction." In this Dharma talk, delivered during our Sunday program, Sensei Dharma-Joy illuminates the agenda-less goal of…
Tom Dharma-Joy ReichertGuestAnd the origins of this talk are that it's all Miyoki's fault, as we all know it usually is.
Myogi recently moved her desk in the office upstairs in the Sangha house.
The only person who's further away from the door is Jyotai, who sits with the computers in Iceland.
And in the great Zen center tradition, I noticed behind her new desk, there was just this pile of paper, because there's piles of paper everywhere.
And on the top of it, there was a piece of paper that said, Zazen is not the same as meditation.
And I thought, wow, how great is that? And then I said, oh, I have to give a talk about that.
Because my teacher, Egyoku, who is going to be showing up here on Tuesday, she used to say the same thing.
So what I found, that paper, which I snatched to find only there was a whole pile of them.
So at some point, they must have been connected to either a talk or something.
So the paper was the condensed version of a talk given by Reverend Isho Fujita.
And I'm going to talk this today about a number of these different Zen teachers.
But in particular, I'm going to talk about a few people in his lineage.
But he is the grandson in the Dharma, Uchiyama Roshi, who many of you know.
And Uchiyama Roshi, who wrote Opening the Hand of Thought, was in himself, was the Dharma successor of Kodo Sawaki Roshi.
And so I'm going to talk mostly about some teachings that each of those three gave over the course of the last hundred years or so.
And the origins of this talk are that it's all Miyoki's fault, as we all know it usually is.
Myogi recently moved her desk in the office upstairs in the Sangha house.
The only person who's further away from the door is Jyotai, who sits with the computers in Iceland.
And in the great Zen center tradition, I noticed behind her new desk, there was just this pile of paper, because there's piles of paper everywhere.
And on the top of it, there was a piece of paper that said, Zazen is not the same as meditation.
And I thought, wow, how great is that? And then I said, oh, I have to give a talk about that.
Because my teacher, Egyoku, who is going to be showing up here on Tuesday, she used to say the same thing.
So what I found, that paper, which I snatched to find only there was a whole pile of them.
So at some point, they must have been connected to either a talk or something.
So the paper was the condensed version of a talk given by Reverend Isho Fujita.
And I'm going to talk this today about a number of these different Zen teachers.
But in particular, I'm going to talk about a few people in his lineage.
But he is the grandson in the Dharma, Uchiyama Roshi, who many of you know.
And Uchiyama Roshi, who wrote Opening the Hand of Thought, was in himself, was the Dharma successor of Kodo Sawaki Roshi.
And so I'm going to talk mostly about some teachings that each of those three gave over the course of the last hundred years or so.
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