Sep 17, 2026 · 55 min · 13 segments
John, Jenny, and Shelby examine one of YWAM's foundational practices: worship and intercessory prayer. The conversation explores how ideas about hearing God's voice, spiritual warfare, demonic attack…
Shelby HofferHost
John CollinsHost
Jenny McGrathHost
And I think one of the most common challenges that we face or common pushbacks that we get are trying to address things.

There's the theological side, right, where you can get lots of people who will just disagree completely.

That doesn't seem weird to me, but then there's the other side of the impact and the consequences of the theology or of simply how practically the foundational values or the belief, the core beliefs or things like that actually get lived out on the ground.

So it's something that we certainly are trying to highlight, um, I am studying theology right now, and that's something that's been very, very interesting coming out of 20 years, almost 20 years in YWAM.

But what we really want to be talking about is looking at how this impacts people's lives, right? So, there is the theological side, which you can agree, disagree, but it does touch people's lives.

And so, for myself and Jenny, having worked in the mental health space, and Jenny is currently working in the mental health space, we see the effects of that.

One of the core values as the foundational values as we've been talking about in YWAM is to practice worship and intercessory prayer.

Now, I thought it was really interesting, John, that you mentioned this thing about your grandfather being like, well, if they get to the kids, they get to the parents.

And obviously, youth with a mission is youth targeted, right? And there's a whole foundational value about championing young people and things like that.

And I don't know if you guys know this, Jenny probably does, but YWAM also has a whole arm, a whole ministry called King's Kids.

So we are talking about when you join YWAM to do your DTS or do your staff, every once in a while you can get someone in who's 16 or 17.

But there is, in my time, my 18 years in YWAM, there's often been this conversation of, if we can get to the kids, we can get to the parents.

Now, the pocketbook part was not explicitly said so often, but it was, you know, how we can transform families, how we can transform society.

So I can certainly attest to that being a part of the strategy that I have seen.

And I think one of the most common challenges that we face or common pushbacks that we get are trying to address things.

There's the theological side, right, where you can get lots of people who will just disagree completely.

That doesn't seem weird to me, but then there's the other side of the impact and the consequences of the theology or of simply how practically the foundational values or the belief, the core beliefs or things like that actually get lived out on the ground.

So it's something that we certainly are trying to highlight, um, I am studying theology right now, and that's something that's been very, very interesting coming out of 20 years, almost 20 years in YWAM.

But what we really want to be talking about is looking at how this impacts people's lives, right? So, there is the theological side, which you can agree, disagree, but it does touch people's lives.

And so, for myself and Jenny, having worked in the mental health space, and Jenny is currently working in the mental health space, we see the effects of that.

One of the core values as the foundational values as we've been talking about in YWAM is to practice worship and intercessory prayer.

Now, I thought it was really interesting, John, that you mentioned this thing about your grandfather being like, well, if they get to the kids, they get to the parents.

And obviously, youth with a mission is youth targeted, right? And there's a whole foundational value about championing young people and things like that.

And I don't know if you guys know this, Jenny probably does, but YWAM also has a whole arm, a whole ministry called King's Kids.

So we are talking about when you join YWAM to do your DTS or do your staff, every once in a while you can get someone in who's 16 or 17.

But there is, in my time, my 18 years in YWAM, there's often been this conversation of, if we can get to the kids, we can get to the parents.

Now, the pocketbook part was not explicitly said so often, but it was, you know, how we can transform families, how we can transform society.

So I can certainly attest to that being a part of the strategy that I have seen.
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