Winsome, Lose Some (s01e07)

Oct 20, 2026 · 46 min · 11 segments

Luke Clancy and Orit Gat roam from Tate Modern’s Turbine Hall to Craven Cottage and Frieze, exploring how space, movement, pressure and perspective shape the way we experience football, weighing red cards and gamesmanship, the appeal of informal football podcasts, and the public roles of artists and sports figures. Also why expectations weigh sooooooo heavily on players like Florian Wirtz.Timestamped menu 00:00 — Greetings, and week-in-review 01:00 — Tarek Atoui takes over the Tate Modern Turbine Hall 03:14 — Sound, objects, and a performance that feels ritualistic 05:46 — A listener collapses, the performance becomes a scene 07:22 — Imagining football in the Turbine Hall 12:03 — PSG, Manchester City, and the Champions League mood shift 14:26 — Watching Liverpool at an art fair bar 16:02 — Bradley Barcola and the psychology of finishing 18:47 — Craven Cottage: restricted view, and legs everywhere 20:04 — Josh King and Oscar Bobb as balletic footballers 22:31 — Arsenal Women, corner seats, and the applause economy 24:24 — Managers who praise effort, and Keith Andrews’ tone 26:54 — Headbutts, red cards, and the ethics of contact 30:45 — David Squires, football vodcasts, and banal digital banter 32:09 — Why discourse matters to critics and listeners 36:48 — The appeal of visual podcasts and DIY football media 38:07 — The Liverpool girlies and why informal fan talk works 40:40 — Viking FK stun Bayern and why underdog moments matter 43:19 — Ryan Sessegnon’s red card 48:15 — Gary Lineker, Sally Rooney, and using success publicly 49:54 — Alabaster DePlume, Palestine, and coded speech from the stage 51:31 — Florian Wirtz, Liverpool, and the hardest thing in football 54:28 — The gap between price tag and reality 55:17 — Alexander Isak’s value as a player who simply arrives in the right place