Jul 14, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 11 segments
In this episode Dr. Rob McKenna sits down with longtime friend, colleague, and strategic partner Dr. Daniel Hallak, an Industrial-Organizational Psychologist and author of the new book, *The Trust…
Rob McKennaHost
Sabeth KapahuHost
And I was, and I did, as usual, sent you some framing questions for our conversation.
I remember we did this a few years ago, um, some- on someone else's podcast, I think, and it was...
We were, we, uh, we, we both at different time periods, 'cause I'm older than you, but it's like we cut our teeth in a very specific guild.
And also both of us cut our teeth in a lot of enterprise, meaning large corporate kind of work.
And we spent a lot of time together at a conference called the Society for Industrial Organizational Psychology.
Like, these is, these are our people, right? This is who cut their teeth in the same space.
And I thought about this a lot for myself, but I wanted to ask you this question and then just talk about it for a second, is over the last eight years or so, um, maybe a little longer than that, what's ch- what's changed in your perspective about business? Um, 'cause you and I have been doing work with a world of businesses that, quite frankly, is invisible in a lot of spaces in the world.
When people talk about business, they're usually talking about the big corporations down the street from my house, you know? And I'm curious about the lessons that you have learned as a business leader yourself, and you came out of a world where, you know, a large consulting practice and that kind of...
And I was, and I did, as usual, sent you some framing questions for our conversation.
I remember we did this a few years ago, um, some- on someone else's podcast, I think, and it was...
We were, we, uh, we, we both at different time periods, 'cause I'm older than you, but it's like we cut our teeth in a very specific guild.
And also both of us cut our teeth in a lot of enterprise, meaning large corporate kind of work.
And we spent a lot of time together at a conference called the Society for Industrial Organizational Psychology.
Like, these is, these are our people, right? This is who cut their teeth in the same space.
And I thought about this a lot for myself, but I wanted to ask you this question and then just talk about it for a second, is over the last eight years or so, um, maybe a little longer than that, what's ch- what's changed in your perspective about business? Um, 'cause you and I have been doing work with a world of businesses that, quite frankly, is invisible in a lot of spaces in the world.
When people talk about business, they're usually talking about the big corporations down the street from my house, you know? And I'm curious about the lessons that you have learned as a business leader yourself, and you came out of a world where, you know, a large consulting practice and that kind of...
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