Mm

... "This has been a really fun conversation.

Thanks for taking interest in my career and my journey.

I think I got more out of this than you got out of it.

How can I connect you? Who can I introduce you to?" And it kinda hit me in that moment, that moment and a series of others, where I began to realize, "You know what? I actually like doing these conversations, and I like them more when I'm actually interested in the conversation.

I'm truly building a relationship, like with this woman, and I'm not just trying to future-proof my career." And so then whether it was mentors or other people, starting to realize, wait a second, the relationship is the ...

The value is in the relationship.

... "Eh, I don't know."