Oct 2, 2026 · 33 min · 9 segments
Europe’s borders may be thousands of kilometres apart, but the challenges they face are increasingly connected. In this episode, Wojciech Przybylski speaks with Marc Lopez Plana, editor and director…
Marc López PlanaGuest
Wojciech PrzybylskiHost
This is, for me, one of the most important things right now because, um, it's the way to use or to weaponize migration, uh, migration right now, okay? This is one of the first causes, no, that we have right now, um, in this, in this, in this debate, no? The other thing is that, um, is that, uh, there was a decision of the Supreme Court of Spain that was manipulated for the, uh, social, in the social networks, no? Uh, saying to the Moroccan, Moroccan people that if we achieve to arrive to Spain in Ceuta, no, it's possible, or it's, not, not only it's possible, it's sure that you can be in, uh, Spain, and Spain is, uh, um, it should receive you in, in, in, in Spain, no, the government of Spain.
This is the second thing, the manipulation in the soc- in the social networks about one important decision of the, uh, Sup- Supreme Court in, uh, in Spain.
The other thing is that it's, it's one question that it's, uh, uh, for me necessary to, to ask ourself, no? If Morocco didn't want to, people pass the border, what happened? Because in fact, uh, it's true that there is an agreement between the Spanish government and Moroccan government to not to allow people to pass the border.
For me, they should know that, uh, uh, these people, uh, wants to pass this, uh, the, the, the Spanish border, no? Um, but also at the same time, I think it's really difficult for the Spanish government to say it's Morocco.
The second reason, the second reason is if you say it's Morocco, what happens after? Mm.
In terms of diplomatic relationships, no? It's, uh, uh, I think if you com- if you compare with your border in Poland, no, you have, for us, it's more difficult to, to say it's Morocco, not only for us, for European Union, because Morocco, remember that Morocco, it's one of the most important partners of, uh, the European Union.
This is, for me, one of the most important things right now because, um, it's the way to use or to weaponize migration, uh, migration right now, okay? This is one of the first causes, no, that we have right now, um, in this, in this, in this debate, no? The other thing is that, um, is that, uh, there was a decision of the Supreme Court of Spain that was manipulated for the, uh, social, in the social networks, no? Uh, saying to the Moroccan, Moroccan people that if we achieve to arrive to Spain in Ceuta, no, it's possible, or it's, not, not only it's possible, it's sure that you can be in, uh, Spain, and Spain is, uh, um, it should receive you in, in, in, in Spain, no, the government of Spain.
This is the second thing, the manipulation in the soc- in the social networks about one important decision of the, uh, Sup- Supreme Court in, uh, in Spain.
The other thing is that it's, it's one question that it's, uh, uh, for me necessary to, to ask ourself, no? If Morocco didn't want to, people pass the border, what happened? Because in fact, uh, it's true that there is an agreement between the Spanish government and Moroccan government to not to allow people to pass the border.
For me, they should know that, uh, uh, these people, uh, wants to pass this, uh, the, the, the Spanish border, no? Um, but also at the same time, I think it's really difficult for the Spanish government to say it's Morocco.
The second reason, the second reason is if you say it's Morocco, what happens after? Mm.
In terms of diplomatic relationships, no? It's, uh, uh, I think if you com- if you compare with your border in Poland, no, you have, for us, it's more difficult to, to say it's Morocco, not only for us, for European Union, because Morocco, remember that Morocco, it's one of the most important partners of, uh, the European Union.
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