Oct 12, 2026 · 40 min · 10 segments
Have you ever turned your relationship with God into another thing on your to-do list? Read the Bible. Check.Pray. Check.Go to church. Check.Serve. Check. And somehow, all the things that were meant…
Monica RitchieGuest
Laura L. SmithHost
love it i love that okay so speaking of all of those things i i do see the world wanting things easy and simple and so we all want as i asked you at the beginning one fun find for fall what should it be and i think we try to take that, you know, three easy dinners to make this week.


Like there's not three easy steps to having an incredible relationship with the Lord because it's a relationship.

So can we talk about this a little bit? Like, I think the checklists are well-intentioned.

And I certainly even find myself sometimes saying like to someone who's like, I don't know where to start in the Bible.

So where is the tension here? How do we land? Do you know what I'm asking? Just like anything you want to say about this.

My hope with the book is really that it offers people a place to explore and hold some nuance, right? Humanity is complex.

Sure, it might work for a time, right? But rather than seeing spiritual disciplines as something to just check off, my hope is that they offer freedom and a chance for you to use these ideas of spiritual disciplines and hope hope that the book does a good job of carrying those disciplines in nuance.

But my hope is that they offer you an opportunity to reorient your heart back to God versus just checking something off of a list.

And again, there is a time and a place for saying, you know what? I don't feel like praying right now, but we're going to pray because we know it's what our heart needs.

Maybe instead of sitting in a chair in a room, maybe that prayer time looks like going for a walk.

Maybe that prayer time looks like listening to a couple of worship songs with your kids.

love it i love that okay so speaking of all of those things i i do see the world wanting things easy and simple and so we all want as i asked you at the beginning one fun find for fall what should it be and i think we try to take that, you know, three easy dinners to make this week.


Like there's not three easy steps to having an incredible relationship with the Lord because it's a relationship.

So can we talk about this a little bit? Like, I think the checklists are well-intentioned.

And I certainly even find myself sometimes saying like to someone who's like, I don't know where to start in the Bible.

So where is the tension here? How do we land? Do you know what I'm asking? Just like anything you want to say about this.

My hope with the book is really that it offers people a place to explore and hold some nuance, right? Humanity is complex.

Sure, it might work for a time, right? But rather than seeing spiritual disciplines as something to just check off, my hope is that they offer freedom and a chance for you to use these ideas of spiritual disciplines and hope hope that the book does a good job of carrying those disciplines in nuance.

But my hope is that they offer you an opportunity to reorient your heart back to God versus just checking something off of a list.

And again, there is a time and a place for saying, you know what? I don't feel like praying right now, but we're going to pray because we know it's what our heart needs.

Maybe instead of sitting in a chair in a room, maybe that prayer time looks like going for a walk.

Maybe that prayer time looks like listening to a couple of worship songs with your kids.
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