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Anyways, I talk about that a little bit in the book, but just my own wrestling with faith as a young adult.

And at that point, I didn't know what seminary was.

I had never heard of that.

I had no clue.

So it was as a young adult then coming into this larger Bible study where I got a taste of how to study the Bible in depth.

I was in leadership in that Bible study for a number of years, and so we were learning how to do that a little bit more thoroughly, a little bit deeper.

Yeah.

So kind of give us the transition story.

Yeah.

So like I said, retail merchandising, freelance photo and wardrobe styling.

And then that kind of morphed into, I don't know, just a whole bunch of other stuff.

And then eventually I was a stay-at-home mom.

And it was – while I was a stay-at-home mom, I was simultaneously part of a large group Bible study.

And I was loving it.

just

So what are some other ways people can find Sabbath rest?

Okay, I want to look at my list really quick.

Yeah, for sure.

I feel like, again, there are all these different kinds of ways to rest.

So it can be physical, it can be mental, it can be sensory.

I think this is a really important one, especially if you're a mom of little kids.

Maybe you are overwhelmed with sensory activities, a lot of music, a lot of I remember when my kids were little, they had all these toys and yes, they're so cute, but they all made noise.

So how can we soak that in and get better at believing that we are truly loved and that we were loved before we were ever

Or do you think that that's not even a thing?

Totally a thing.

I would say, so I do give you in the, in the book, like a list of questions to kind of walk through and self-reflect because I, and I can, one of the examples I give is when my, before my kids were born, I spent a lot of time like in prayer and felt that this was just a really great way for me to connect with God, turn my heart towards him and, And I really loved that time.

As they got older, they weren't napping.

I was trying to do this same situation twice.

But my life circumstances didn't allow for it.

In a very different situation.

on?

How do you handle people, I didn't write this question down, but who have an aversion to the word discipline and what you know I think there's so many different personalities out there and some people are like I want to go with the flow I don't want anybody to tell me what to do I don't want to have a schedule I just want to like live my life um and then some people really thrive on routine and you know air quotes discipline but that word I think sometimes carries some baggage so you I mean you intentionally chose this word yeah in your book what how do you handle that

Yeah, I guess I haven't gotten any pushback on it, but I see what you're saying.

And I think that it's a good reminder that if you feel pushback on that word, and I always just say, if you feel pushback even on the idea of engaging with disciplines, I did.

I fully admit.

that as I was walking into this spiritual formation class, I thought, this is fluffy.

This is silly.

I don't need to do all of this stuff.

And again, I