Aug 7, 2026 · 28 min · 9 segments
Jenn sits down with Zac Kadau and Alissa Hollander from Life International, a global ministry equipping Christian leaders in over 170 countries, to talk about what defending human dignity actually…
Jennifer FriesenHost
Zac KadauGuest
Alissa HollanderGuest
So I'm a context person, and sometimes people get very annoyed by this, but when people talk about things, it always makes me think about numerous other things that, that, like, align with it.
But while you were talking, Alyssa, I was thinking about this notion of human dignity and humans having sort of intrinsic value.
And I was reminded of Bill Maher and Bill, uh, Ben Shapiro, political commentators, were chatting.
And Ben Shapiro was telling Bill Maher, who's an atheist, "Why do we agree on 95% of morality? You're an atheist.
Why do we agree?" And he was laying out this point that America, the West is post-Christian.
We've lived in the Christian worldview of human dignity and human worth for 200 years, two centuries.
And Ben Shapiro's point is, "You're morally on third base, and now you're pretending it doesn't matter." And so I'm, I'm wondering, as we try to connect that to international work, and I don't mean this as a, like, cultural or ethnicity thing at all, because if you think about early Europe, early Europe was Germans were barbarian- called barbarians, right? And, um, there was human sacrifice, there was slavery, there was all these horrible things.
It's really when Christianity gets into a culture, it changes it because it changes a lot of those practices that are very normal throughout the world.
But so you are going into communities maybe where- There isn't an understanding of human dignity.
And, and like you're saying, Alyssa, too, even maybe some of the basic biological things that we have the benefit of a lot of computers, a lot of information that we can just look up at our fingertips, and maybe a lot of people around the world don't have that.
So maybe Zach, you could start by just saying, when you guys go into a new community, what are the first steps that you kinda make? You probably don't just drop a big, you know, notebook or, "Here's some laptops," or something.
But how do you build the relationship, and then how do you start equipping people who maybe don't have any Christian context-
Um, we, we want to, uh, start that dialogue on where is human life being devalued right now in your culture, um, and then address those issues from a biblical standpoint.
So I'm a context person, and sometimes people get very annoyed by this, but when people talk about things, it always makes me think about numerous other things that, that, like, align with it.
But while you were talking, Alyssa, I was thinking about this notion of human dignity and humans having sort of intrinsic value.
And I was reminded of Bill Maher and Bill, uh, Ben Shapiro, political commentators, were chatting.
And Ben Shapiro was telling Bill Maher, who's an atheist, "Why do we agree on 95% of morality? You're an atheist.
Why do we agree?" And he was laying out this point that America, the West is post-Christian.
We've lived in the Christian worldview of human dignity and human worth for 200 years, two centuries.
And Ben Shapiro's point is, "You're morally on third base, and now you're pretending it doesn't matter." And so I'm, I'm wondering, as we try to connect that to international work, and I don't mean this as a, like, cultural or ethnicity thing at all, because if you think about early Europe, early Europe was Germans were barbarian- called barbarians, right? And, um, there was human sacrifice, there was slavery, there was all these horrible things.
It's really when Christianity gets into a culture, it changes it because it changes a lot of those practices that are very normal throughout the world.
But so you are going into communities maybe where- There isn't an understanding of human dignity.
And, and like you're saying, Alyssa, too, even maybe some of the basic biological things that we have the benefit of a lot of computers, a lot of information that we can just look up at our fingertips, and maybe a lot of people around the world don't have that.
So maybe Zach, you could start by just saying, when you guys go into a new community, what are the first steps that you kinda make? You probably don't just drop a big, you know, notebook or, "Here's some laptops," or something.
But how do you build the relationship, and then how do you start equipping people who maybe don't have any Christian context-
Um, we, we want to, uh, start that dialogue on where is human life being devalued right now in your culture, um, and then address those issues from a biblical standpoint.
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