Jul 29, 2026 · 35 min · 13 segments
Saul Klein is one of Europe's leading venture capitalists and co-founder of Phoenix Court, the venture capital firm behind some of Britain's most successful high-growth technology companies. He likes…
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Will HuttonHost
And yeah, I mean, I, I think having grown up metaphorically in Silicon Valley in the nineties-

I grew up in the UK, but professionally, I grew up in Silicon Valley in the nineties.

And so I absolutely recognize the fact that venture capital is the, is the growth engine, uh, that has put America certainly on the... dominated the global economy over the last fifty to sixty years.

If you look at the ten biggest companies in the world today, seven or eight of the ten were venture-backed and didn't exist fifty years ago.

So I think what's incredible about the economy that we've been living in, even for the last twenty to thirty years, is that it's an economy that is based on venture capital.

What is incredible about Britain, in spite of so many of the challenges that we have, is that we have the world's third best, by any measure, innovation economy after the US and China.

It's not widely known, and I should declare by outset of this discussion that, and you're one of the seven companies that backed the growth trilogy run by the personal company, which I became aware of this myself.

I mean, you're the most successful venture capitalist outside the United States, and hardly anybody knows about you or the industry or about the innovation economy.

I mean, presumably, you've made a significant amount of money, but how much of that has gone to British funds who invested in you?

So, I mean, let's start with why does no one understand the role that venture capital plays in economic growth? You know, I remember doing a piece in maybe two thousand and ten with Jonathan Mole, who was a-- wrote a piece for the FT Weekend Magazine where he followed me for a week.

And, you know, part of the, I think, idea behind the piece was to say there is this black box called venture capital that is finding young companies, that is, you know, generating growth, but no one knows about it.

And even those that do know about it, it-- they think it's like Dragon's Den or The Apprentice.

And yeah, I mean, I, I think having grown up metaphorically in Silicon Valley in the nineties-

I grew up in the UK, but professionally, I grew up in Silicon Valley in the nineties.

And so I absolutely recognize the fact that venture capital is the, is the growth engine, uh, that has put America certainly on the... dominated the global economy over the last fifty to sixty years.

If you look at the ten biggest companies in the world today, seven or eight of the ten were venture-backed and didn't exist fifty years ago.

So I think what's incredible about the economy that we've been living in, even for the last twenty to thirty years, is that it's an economy that is based on venture capital.

What is incredible about Britain, in spite of so many of the challenges that we have, is that we have the world's third best, by any measure, innovation economy after the US and China.

It's not widely known, and I should declare by outset of this discussion that, and you're one of the seven companies that backed the growth trilogy run by the personal company, which I became aware of this myself.

I mean, you're the most successful venture capitalist outside the United States, and hardly anybody knows about you or the industry or about the innovation economy.

I mean, presumably, you've made a significant amount of money, but how much of that has gone to British funds who invested in you?

So, I mean, let's start with why does no one understand the role that venture capital plays in economic growth? You know, I remember doing a piece in maybe two thousand and ten with Jonathan Mole, who was a-- wrote a piece for the FT Weekend Magazine where he followed me for a week.

And, you know, part of the, I think, idea behind the piece was to say there is this black box called venture capital that is finding young companies, that is, you know, generating growth, but no one knows about it.

And even those that do know about it, it-- they think it's like Dragon's Den or The Apprentice.
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