The Way the World Works: A Tuttle Twins Podcast for Families
Jul 30, 2026 · 17 min · 8 segments
*Two colonists broke every rule of Puritan Massachusetts—and accidentally invented American religious liberty.* The Puritans and Pilgrims sailed to America seeking freedom to worship as they pleased…
So we're gonna travel back about 400 years ago to meet two people who challenged one of the strictest societies in America, and they honestly helped set the stage for religious liberty.
They were actually called Separatists at the time, and they were called Separatists because they wanted to separate themselves from the main religion in England.
So they came here for that liberty, for that chance.
And so when you're thinking about that, you think, "Oh, that's great.
So they're gonna be super tolerant of other religions 'cause they know what it's like to be persecuted and not be able to, to freely practice their faith.
So that's great.
They're gonna, you know, start this new society where everyone can believe what they believe." That is not what happened, [laughs] unfortunately.
So they got here, and they were all about religious, uh, freedom for themselves but not for other people.
But once they were in charge, they did not award or allow that freedom to other people.
So in the colony, only members of the official church were allowed to vote, okay? You needed government permission to start a new church.
And criticizing leaders, especially religious leaders, you could be fined, you could be whipped or banished entirely from the colony, and as we're gonna see, they, they made good on those promises, on those threats.
So they believed that too much freedom would cause chaos.
Oh my goodness.
How can we let people have all this freedom? And not only that, they thought that what they called unbounded toleration was dangerous.
So they literally only believed that their religion should be the one that had all these exceptions and should have the freedom to worship, but no one else, and they couldn't even be tolerant.
So this is, this is a whole different thing than I think what we think about when we think of these people as being very pro religious liberty.
So this whole colony was built kind of like a theocracy, a religious government, and there was a religious rule book, you know, where leaders watched people carefully.
It was very much like Big Brother is watching you.
And they punished dissent.
There are some crazy stories about, uh, people being, or religious leaders being worried that if people were congregating together, even walking together, that that would mean they could be discussing, uh, religion and God and the Bible on their own, and that was dangerous, 'cause what if they formed opinions that were different to the main religion in town? So we're gonna kinda get into that right now and those threats.
So we're gonna travel back about 400 years ago to meet two people who challenged one of the strictest societies in America, and they honestly helped set the stage for religious liberty.
They were actually called Separatists at the time, and they were called Separatists because they wanted to separate themselves from the main religion in England.
So they came here for that liberty, for that chance.
And so when you're thinking about that, you think, "Oh, that's great.
So they're gonna be super tolerant of other religions 'cause they know what it's like to be persecuted and not be able to, to freely practice their faith.
So that's great.
They're gonna, you know, start this new society where everyone can believe what they believe." That is not what happened, [laughs] unfortunately.
So they got here, and they were all about religious, uh, freedom for themselves but not for other people.
But once they were in charge, they did not award or allow that freedom to other people.
So in the colony, only members of the official church were allowed to vote, okay? You needed government permission to start a new church.
And criticizing leaders, especially religious leaders, you could be fined, you could be whipped or banished entirely from the colony, and as we're gonna see, they, they made good on those promises, on those threats.
So they believed that too much freedom would cause chaos.
Oh my goodness.
How can we let people have all this freedom? And not only that, they thought that what they called unbounded toleration was dangerous.
So they literally only believed that their religion should be the one that had all these exceptions and should have the freedom to worship, but no one else, and they couldn't even be tolerant.
So this is, this is a whole different thing than I think what we think about when we think of these people as being very pro religious liberty.
So this whole colony was built kind of like a theocracy, a religious government, and there was a religious rule book, you know, where leaders watched people carefully.
It was very much like Big Brother is watching you.
And they punished dissent.
There are some crazy stories about, uh, people being, or religious leaders being worried that if people were congregating together, even walking together, that that would mean they could be discussing, uh, religion and God and the Bible on their own, and that was dangerous, 'cause what if they formed opinions that were different to the main religion in town? So we're gonna kinda get into that right now and those threats.
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