Sep 2, 2026 · 1 hr · 10 segments
Most e-commerce brands are not losing because their product is bad or their ads are off. They are losing because they are measuring the wrong things and making decisions based on data that was never…
Mark YoungGuestKayvon KayHost
Well, I'll tell you, as is most things in my life, they all come from moments of frustration, and the frustration was twofold.

Mostly it was because I was sitting on the telephone on Zoom calls all day long, as I'm sure you are, too, and it's like I spend my life on Zoom, but 45 out of e- all, every 60-minute meeting is spent having to fix a, a client or a would-be client's worldview, mindset, whatever word you want to assign there.

Correction, once upon a nightmare, who said on a call, "1.7 ROAS, that is the number.

If, if you can't achieve 1.7 ROAS on, on every month, we're, we're done." And I'm like, "Well, that's a really interesting first 30 days conversation, but okay." And, and I, and of course, I'm an educator, remember that, and, and I'm like, "But that's a terrible metric." And she's like, "No.

And I'm trying to be kind about it, 'cause I don't like necessarily calling people's babies uglies or calling people stupid, but I'm like, "Let me explain how ROAS works.

Like, this is a, this is a trailing metric, but you're measuring ROAS at the account level, which means you're not measuring campaign-level ROAS or ad set-level ROAS or anything." And I'm like, "And b- and you're not at all measuring blended MER, which means each of your channels that you're using for marketing don't behave the same way, but they do behave together." And, and trying to explain this, that I need a 1.7, and I, and I said to her, I'm like, "Look, here's what I'm gonna tell you.

The way your last agency always got you 1.7 ROAS was that the remarketing that they are putting, y- your budget is all in remarketing campaigns.

So making your demand hurt you because they're acquiring hardly any new customers, and the only reason they're not acquiring new customers is because you told them they have to hit a metric.

It's always easier to sell to somebody again than it is to sell to somebody the first time, and you've set that standard for them." I'm like, "I can manipulate all of your data to get you to a 1.7." I said, "I would never do that, but I wanna teach you how that shouldn't happen to begin with." Um, and it really, it had me unpacking something that I call my holy trinity of metrics, and I'm like, ROAS to me, it's a false metric.
I'm, uh, I come from a world where all people look at is ROAS on the marketing side.

Well, I'll tell you, as is most things in my life, they all come from moments of frustration, and the frustration was twofold.

Mostly it was because I was sitting on the telephone on Zoom calls all day long, as I'm sure you are, too, and it's like I spend my life on Zoom, but 45 out of e- all, every 60-minute meeting is spent having to fix a, a client or a would-be client's worldview, mindset, whatever word you want to assign there.

Correction, once upon a nightmare, who said on a call, "1.7 ROAS, that is the number.

If, if you can't achieve 1.7 ROAS on, on every month, we're, we're done." And I'm like, "Well, that's a really interesting first 30 days conversation, but okay." And, and I, and of course, I'm an educator, remember that, and, and I'm like, "But that's a terrible metric." And she's like, "No.

And I'm trying to be kind about it, 'cause I don't like necessarily calling people's babies uglies or calling people stupid, but I'm like, "Let me explain how ROAS works.

Like, this is a, this is a trailing metric, but you're measuring ROAS at the account level, which means you're not measuring campaign-level ROAS or ad set-level ROAS or anything." And I'm like, "And b- and you're not at all measuring blended MER, which means each of your channels that you're using for marketing don't behave the same way, but they do behave together." And, and trying to explain this, that I need a 1.7, and I, and I said to her, I'm like, "Look, here's what I'm gonna tell you.

The way your last agency always got you 1.7 ROAS was that the remarketing that they are putting, y- your budget is all in remarketing campaigns.

So making your demand hurt you because they're acquiring hardly any new customers, and the only reason they're not acquiring new customers is because you told them they have to hit a metric.

It's always easier to sell to somebody again than it is to sell to somebody the first time, and you've set that standard for them." I'm like, "I can manipulate all of your data to get you to a 1.7." I said, "I would never do that, but I wanna teach you how that shouldn't happen to begin with." Um, and it really, it had me unpacking something that I call my holy trinity of metrics, and I'm like, ROAS to me, it's a false metric.
I'm, uh, I come from a world where all people look at is ROAS on the marketing side.
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