Jun 25, 2026 · 43 min · 11 segments
We're excited to share the latest episode of the Unprescribed podcast with Dame Marie Gabriel, Chair of NHS North East London ICS and the NHS Race and Health Observatory. She joins Jacob Haddad to…
Marie GabrielGuest
Jacob HaddadHost
And so what were some of the issues there? You spoke about women and black women not having a good experience in the health system.
So there were things that were happening where we weren't listened to in childbirth, where the experience was poor in terms of the outcomes for women.
And we did gather evidence that women were more likely to die, black women were more likely to die than their white neighbours.
And one of my sort of highlights, the way you come round in a circle is that the Race and Health Observatory, we've been doing lots of work with a voluntary organisation called Five Times More and NHS England about improving health outcomes for black women, black, Asian and minority ethnic women in maternity.
And there's a whole quality improvement program that we've had underway with them and some ongoing work to improve outcomes, because unfortunately, over time, there were still challenges.
I mean, when the Race and Health Observatory got involved, there was a thing called the ATNOS score, where you looked at baby, one of the things you did, you look at the babies and see how pink it is.
So there was those kind of things that we were able to work alongside NHS England and clinicians to look at how we can improve services.
And hopefully the work we continue to do will be able to eradicate the gap that's there.
And that five times more is based on there being five times more, what they're measuring, deaths of black women in Charlottesville.
And so what were some of the issues there? You spoke about women and black women not having a good experience in the health system.
So there were things that were happening where we weren't listened to in childbirth, where the experience was poor in terms of the outcomes for women.
And we did gather evidence that women were more likely to die, black women were more likely to die than their white neighbours.
And one of my sort of highlights, the way you come round in a circle is that the Race and Health Observatory, we've been doing lots of work with a voluntary organisation called Five Times More and NHS England about improving health outcomes for black women, black, Asian and minority ethnic women in maternity.
And there's a whole quality improvement program that we've had underway with them and some ongoing work to improve outcomes, because unfortunately, over time, there were still challenges.
I mean, when the Race and Health Observatory got involved, there was a thing called the ATNOS score, where you looked at baby, one of the things you did, you look at the babies and see how pink it is.
So there was those kind of things that we were able to work alongside NHS England and clinicians to look at how we can improve services.
And hopefully the work we continue to do will be able to eradicate the gap that's there.
And that five times more is based on there being five times more, what they're measuring, deaths of black women in Charlottesville.
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