Nov 1, 2026 · 55 min · 15 segments
Welcome back to Season 5 of The Sounding Jewish Podcast! This month's episode features Dr. Lillian Wohl. We explore her entrance into academia, her ethnographic investigations of music and memory with…
Can you tell me a little bit more about that history and about what you and your colleagues are working on in that respect?
So I encountered a number of years ago in the archive of the American Jewish Historical Society in New York at the Center for Jewish History.
I said correspondences between the Sargentine composer Jacobo Fischer and Aaron Copland from 1940.
And it, of course, caught my attention, both the direct usage of the concept Jewish music and the direct correspondence between an important musical figure here and Aaron Copland, of course, a very important musical figure in the United States during this period of time of the good neighbor policy and the expansion of cultural imperialism in Latin America from the United States.
And so tracing those networks and understanding the existence of those networks in the Jewish musical world was something that I, of course, put my finger on at the time.
I wasn't able to pursue it then, but as I came down here and became a researcher with the Institute for Ethnic Musicology of the city of Buenos Aires, the then director, who is a composer and symphonic music director, he was very interested in Ficher.
He started sort of pushing materials my way, telling me anecdotes about Ficher and his works.
I had materials that I knew about, about Fischer, that had arrived to the United States.
But piecing together questions that had to do with his legacy to Jewish music, or if there was a legacy in Jewish music, if there was Jewish music in Argentina, per se, in the same way that the concept had been developed in the United States, these began to gain traction in my mind somewhat recently.
And just every once in a while, it seems like a good idea to go back to those music boxes and just to remind myself what I've missed or maybe if I have new perspectives and if I've learned enough to maybe be able to engage with documents that I hadn't been able to engage with
with this research project on Jacobo Ficher, who was an immigrant from the Ukraine, now Ukraine, but he studied at the St. Petersburg Conservatory from 1912 to 1917.
And he graduated from the St. Petersburg Conservatory in 1917 as a free artist, which allowed him to sort of, well, he had to leave what was then Petrograd.
And he moved back to Odessa during the turbulent period of the Russian Revolution.
Can you tell me a little bit more about that history and about what you and your colleagues are working on in that respect?
So I encountered a number of years ago in the archive of the American Jewish Historical Society in New York at the Center for Jewish History.
I said correspondences between the Sargentine composer Jacobo Fischer and Aaron Copland from 1940.
And it, of course, caught my attention, both the direct usage of the concept Jewish music and the direct correspondence between an important musical figure here and Aaron Copland, of course, a very important musical figure in the United States during this period of time of the good neighbor policy and the expansion of cultural imperialism in Latin America from the United States.
And so tracing those networks and understanding the existence of those networks in the Jewish musical world was something that I, of course, put my finger on at the time.
I wasn't able to pursue it then, but as I came down here and became a researcher with the Institute for Ethnic Musicology of the city of Buenos Aires, the then director, who is a composer and symphonic music director, he was very interested in Ficher.
He started sort of pushing materials my way, telling me anecdotes about Ficher and his works.
I had materials that I knew about, about Fischer, that had arrived to the United States.
But piecing together questions that had to do with his legacy to Jewish music, or if there was a legacy in Jewish music, if there was Jewish music in Argentina, per se, in the same way that the concept had been developed in the United States, these began to gain traction in my mind somewhat recently.
And just every once in a while, it seems like a good idea to go back to those music boxes and just to remind myself what I've missed or maybe if I have new perspectives and if I've learned enough to maybe be able to engage with documents that I hadn't been able to engage with
with this research project on Jacobo Ficher, who was an immigrant from the Ukraine, now Ukraine, but he studied at the St. Petersburg Conservatory from 1912 to 1917.
And he graduated from the St. Petersburg Conservatory in 1917 as a free artist, which allowed him to sort of, well, he had to leave what was then Petrograd.
And he moved back to Odessa during the turbulent period of the Russian Revolution.
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