Jul 2, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 13 segments
If a school's inclusion strategy depends solely on its SENCO, it simply isn't sustainable – and it isn't working. In this episode, Dale is joined by Lisa Pinkerton, Head of Education at Widgit…
Lisa PinkertonGuest
Dale PicklesHost
And then there'll be lots of parents going, my child couldn't cope in mainstream.

And what you've just highlighted there is there are very different types of mainstream.

And there are other schools which are often those magnet schools for those send pupils.

Help every child to achieve and not just academically, but as you said, your daughter became well-rounded.

In all those different, those softer skills, that understanding that everyone's different, that everyone has their own skills and their own, what they bring to the table, you might not initially see, but

you realize over time actually what that person does bring, but you only get that through experience.

And all those things, surely, are those skills that we're going to need in the workplace.

You know, you need to go into a workplace where you have an appreciation that everybody might approach things and tackle things in a slightly different way.

And how are you ever going to learn that if you are a very sort of single-minded, you've come from a school that's got a very single-minded curriculum that only really values one style of learning, that only really values one approach? How do you learn that everybody approaches things in different ways?

And I also think that, um, so my, my, uh, autistic daughters has gone from secondary school, which was pretty much you have to fit in.

And she's now, and she was getting, I think, uh, her grades were between five and seven, I think.

And she's doing, to me, three horrible subjects, which are psychology, sociology, and history.

And then there'll be lots of parents going, my child couldn't cope in mainstream.

And what you've just highlighted there is there are very different types of mainstream.

And there are other schools which are often those magnet schools for those send pupils.

Help every child to achieve and not just academically, but as you said, your daughter became well-rounded.

In all those different, those softer skills, that understanding that everyone's different, that everyone has their own skills and their own, what they bring to the table, you might not initially see, but

you realize over time actually what that person does bring, but you only get that through experience.

And all those things, surely, are those skills that we're going to need in the workplace.

You know, you need to go into a workplace where you have an appreciation that everybody might approach things and tackle things in a slightly different way.

And how are you ever going to learn that if you are a very sort of single-minded, you've come from a school that's got a very single-minded curriculum that only really values one style of learning, that only really values one approach? How do you learn that everybody approaches things in different ways?

And I also think that, um, so my, my, uh, autistic daughters has gone from secondary school, which was pretty much you have to fit in.

And she's now, and she was getting, I think, uh, her grades were between five and seven, I think.

And she's doing, to me, three horrible subjects, which are psychology, sociology, and history.
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