Florence WilcockHost
Georgina KellyGuest
So my first question is a little bit the why, sort of why develop something new for assisted vaginal birth.

So we've got traditionally forceps, which have been around a very long time.

And then a bit more recently, various different models of ventouse or vacuum suction cup.
But when it gained traction and various leaders within kind of obstetrics or global health came to hear about it, I think many people had the question of, well, why haven't we? And if we think about...
innovation, development, technology changes since the 1800s, 1850s, when Bontus first came around, it is a bit wild to think that we have not changed anything with how we assist vaginal birth for that long.
And so I think actually the why became retrospectively and thinking about how technology has changed in other parts of medicine and to think that maternity hasn't had that.
People were like, why haven't we done this sooner? Why hasn't this happened sooner? And I think that goes back to all the challenges that have been really well documented in research that we know that women's health has a very low budget for research and development globally.
And we know that maternity and intrapartum research as part of that is a tiny slice of that budget and that time and that funding.
And so I think it was a happy accident that this was originally invented and developed.
And I think people, women and public are kind of astounded that there hasn't been innovation in this space.

I'm interested in that answer because I thought you were going to say something completely different.

So I thought maybe it had been identified like we know, for example, particularly forceps have an association with more trauma or tears.

And we know that Von Teese, whilst that's better in some respects for their mum, actually for the baby can have some consequences and bruising and so on.

So I'm interested that actually it was sort of the other way around and a bit by accident.

Have they invented other things? Is this coming from a completely different field outside obstetrics?
Yeah, so this is, I think, the very novel, slightly crazy part of the story is the gentleman that came up with the initial prototype is a gentleman called Jorge Odon.

So my first question is a little bit the why, sort of why develop something new for assisted vaginal birth.

So we've got traditionally forceps, which have been around a very long time.

And then a bit more recently, various different models of ventouse or vacuum suction cup.
But when it gained traction and various leaders within kind of obstetrics or global health came to hear about it, I think many people had the question of, well, why haven't we? And if we think about...
innovation, development, technology changes since the 1800s, 1850s, when Bontus first came around, it is a bit wild to think that we have not changed anything with how we assist vaginal birth for that long.
And so I think actually the why became retrospectively and thinking about how technology has changed in other parts of medicine and to think that maternity hasn't had that.
People were like, why haven't we done this sooner? Why hasn't this happened sooner? And I think that goes back to all the challenges that have been really well documented in research that we know that women's health has a very low budget for research and development globally.
And we know that maternity and intrapartum research as part of that is a tiny slice of that budget and that time and that funding.
And so I think it was a happy accident that this was originally invented and developed.
And I think people, women and public are kind of astounded that there hasn't been innovation in this space.

I'm interested in that answer because I thought you were going to say something completely different.

So I thought maybe it had been identified like we know, for example, particularly forceps have an association with more trauma or tears.

And we know that Von Teese, whilst that's better in some respects for their mum, actually for the baby can have some consequences and bruising and so on.

So I'm interested that actually it was sort of the other way around and a bit by accident.

Have they invented other things? Is this coming from a completely different field outside obstetrics?
Yeah, so this is, I think, the very novel, slightly crazy part of the story is the gentleman that came up with the initial prototype is a gentleman called Jorge Odon.
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