Big Hearts, Hollywood Dreams

And I think that you're someone who has made many different types of things.

Many, many sausages have been made and I, I think that is that common thread is that throughout all of it, you have had such deep love and concern for not just the product, but the people behind the product.

Yeah, and it's a double-edged sword because you see a lot of people who don't, it's more easy for them.

And I wonder, is that nature, is that nurture part of ourselves that allow, because some people we've met in our professional personal lives, can just get by offending and hurting others and plowing forward in their life.

And sometimes those people actually are pretty successful.

Some of those people are really rich.

You know, exactly.

Some of those people are running the country, but I think it's important to find people around you who do the same for you, that you see the same sort of reciprocity.

If that's how you are, find your community, find your tribe, who they want to see you succeed and that you aren't just putting your talent, time, treasure out on the line for others to exploit.

I mean, Hollywood is an exploitative place because they need, and I think it's getting better, right? Less free labor, less intern work.

The unions are in, it's good.

But, you know, I see a lot of like young comedy groups coming together and supporting one another.

I'm seeing a lot more like, hey, if I make it up one level, you're coming up with me.

I think finding those kind of other people who care as much and it's in a more reciprocal way.

And I feel like even though I didn't know it at the time, I think that might be an autistic trait is to really look at the heart.

No, I'm talking about myself.

Okay.

No, go for it.

I'm curious.

One of the things that I think helped me a little bit in Hollywood in retrospect is this idea that I wasn't impressed by celebrity or power or money.

I was interested in people and who they are and, you know, how they think.

And there are a lot of really interesting people in LA or at any creative place.

And creative people are my people.

And I think even though that didn't necessarily translate to career success, at least in a monetary way, but I think it did translate to a the kind of success that matters to me, which is to find my people.

And I'm just so glad that you're one of my people.