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The Leadership Podcast

The Leadership Podcast

What High-Performing Leaders Get Wrong About Stress with Karen Doll

Jun 3, 2026 · 43 min · 11 segments

Karen Doll is a licensed psychologist, author of "Building Psychological Fitness: How High Performers Achieve with Ease," a partner at Psynet Group and chairs the Flourishing at Work initiative under…

Karen Doll is a licensed psychologist, author of "Building Psychological Fitness: How High Performers Achieve with Ease," a partner at Psynet Group and chairs the Flourishing at Work initiative under Harvard's Flourishing Program. Most leaders know how to push through stress. Far fewer know how to recover from it. Karen argues that the difference matters more than most people realize. In this conversation, she explains why psychological fitness is not a personality trait but a trainable skill. She breaks down the difference between the stress that helps you grow and the stress that slowly wears you down, why resilience is...

Karen Doll is a licensed psychologist, author of "Building Psychological Fitness: How High Performers Achieve with Ease," a partner at Psynet Group and chairs the Flourishing at Work initiative under…

Speakers: Karen DollGuestJim VasilopoulosHostJan RutherfordHost

Top entities: AC/DC×2 Viktor Frankl×4 Harvard University×2 Thomas Jefferson×3 Minneapolis

Show Opening & Episode Overview0:00 – 1:10

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Jim VasilopoulosHost

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This is the Leadership Podcast, and we study leaders.

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Jim VasilopoulosHost

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This is episode 514, featuring Dr. Karen Dahl, consulting psychologist and author of Building Psychological Fitness.

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[upbeat music] Welcome to the Leadership Podcast.

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Jim and Jan interview leaders who are blazing new trails.

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They'll read the best sellers.

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They study trends.

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They'll provide thought leadership and the latest research when it comes to inspiring and leading others.

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They'll get you access to the great leaders of our time and help you learn from the very best.

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Now your hosts, Jim Vasilopoulos and Jan Rutherford.

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Jim VasilopoulosHost

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Thank you for joining us today.

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Jim VasilopoulosHost

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This is Jim Vasilopoulos, founder of Rock The Advisors, and this is the Leadership Podcast.

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Jan RutherfordHost

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Hey, everybody.

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Jan RutherfordHost

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Jan Rutherford, founder of Self-Reliant Leadership.

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Jan RutherfordHost

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Thanks for making us a part of your day as we study leaders, and right before we went on the air, we were telling Karen, our guest today, about our catalog of 500 episodes, and they can all be found at theleadershippodcast.com.

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Jim VasilopoulosHost

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Yeah.

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Viktor FranklPersonAustrian neurologist and psychiatrist
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Harvard UniversityCollege or UniversityPrivate university in Cambridge, Massachusetts
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Thomas JeffersonPerson3rd U.S. President
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MinneapolisCityCity in Minnesota
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The HolocaustEventWar
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United States Navy SEALsOrganization
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Dartmouth CollegeCollege or UniversityPrivate university in Hanover, New Hampshire
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Jonathan HaidtPersonAmerican social psychologist and author
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Society
LeadershipBusiness
Personal DevelopmentPsychology
Workplace DynamicsSociety
Employee Well-beingBusiness > Leadership > Workplace Culture
WellnessHealth
Self-awarenessPsychology > Personal Development
Workplace CultureBusiness > Leadership
Stress ManagementHealth > Wellness
Burnout PreventionHealth > Wellness > Stress Management
AccountabilitySociety > Workplace Dynamics
Emotional IntelligencePsychology > Personal Development > Self-awareness
Psychological FitnessHealth > Mental Health
Coping MechanismsHealth > Mental Health > Psychological Fitness
ResilienceHealth > Mental Health > Psychological Fitness > Coping Mechanisms
Mental Health in the WorkplaceBusiness > Leadership > Workplace Culture > Employee Well-being
AgencyPsychology > Personal Development > Self-awareness > Emotional Intelligence
Victim MindsetSociety > Workplace Dynamics > Accountability
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Self-care PracticesHealth > Wellness > Stress Management > Burnout Prevention
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Psychology
Business

Show Opening & Episode Overview0:00 – 1:10

J

Jim VasilopoulosHost

0:00

This is the Leadership Podcast, and we study leaders.

J

Jim VasilopoulosHost

0:04

This is episode 514, featuring Dr. Karen Dahl, consulting psychologist and author of Building Psychological Fitness.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:14

[upbeat music] Welcome to the Leadership Podcast.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:21

Jim and Jan interview leaders who are blazing new trails.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:24

They'll read the best sellers.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:26

They study trends.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:27

They'll provide thought leadership and the latest research when it comes to inspiring and leading others.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:33

They'll get you access to the great leaders of our time and help you learn from the very best.

N

NarratorNarrator

0:38

Now your hosts, Jim Vasilopoulos and Jan Rutherford.

J

Jim VasilopoulosHost

0:45

Thank you for joining us today.

J

Jim VasilopoulosHost

0:46

This is Jim Vasilopoulos, founder of Rock The Advisors, and this is the Leadership Podcast.

J

Jan RutherfordHost

0:51

Hey, everybody.

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Jan RutherfordHost

0:51

Jan Rutherford, founder of Self-Reliant Leadership.

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Jan RutherfordHost

0:54

Thanks for making us a part of your day as we study leaders, and right before we went on the air, we were telling Karen, our guest today, about our catalog of 500 episodes, and they can all be found at theleadershippodcast.com.

J

Jim VasilopoulosHost

1:10

Yeah.