Sep 21, 2026 · 58 min · 14 segments
This week on the Labor & Energy Show w/JDoc & Krausey, Jodie Muller, President and CEO of the Western States Petroleum Association (WSPA), joins the show for a conversation about California’s energy…
Jodie MullerGuestKrauseyHostWell, it's interesting because One of the things that we do with the Labor Energy Alliance, you're getting hit by so many different angles.
With the new super fund, the New Jersey, the climate super fund, we were able to impact that, by the way.
and have our labor community and our leadership and our energy community fight hard and push it.
And obviously, it's coming back, but we were able to push it off and have success.
But the reason that's important is because we're getting hit from so many sides.
We need to be able to address these situations.
Let's take a quick look at... tailpipe emissions, for example, the rules that they were, you know, putting, you know, well, that's what I would call, you know, in a sense, a lot like the setback rules, right? A backdoor way of shutting you down.
How many ways are these ridiculous things going to, you know, I mean, these organizations, these extreme situations want to try to hit us from angles you don't even see coming, right? So a setback, okay, which hasn't done well in California, um, You know, so now people you now there's ask your neighbors about a setback.
Right.
I run naked down Broad Street.
If one of my neighbors knows what the hell it is.
And believe me, I don't want that.
So my point is now you have, you know, the mouth, the mouth.
the tailpipe emissions.
Now that takes EV mandates national right away.
Okay.
So, so much, you know, hitting us from one standpoint, um, that that's why, you know, we jumped in and said, we have to protect our jobs and our industries and our organizations.
Um, because if we don't jump into this fight, we're all going to be watching it from the sideline.
Uh, you know, we only have a few minutes, so I'm going to close to show up with us.
Krause just gave us to go with that.
But, um, You know, let's talk about how, you know, these EV mandates are now hitting the ports of the ship, okay? And their regulation, not just enough about automobiles, okay? Talk about our vessels in our ports, okay, being impacted.

So California passed a regulation at birth, which requires all ships, including tankers, to bring in crude or refined product into a port in California to either plug in while they're there, or have an approved emissions capture system while docked at the port.
Well, before you go any further, what's great about that is all you need is a plug.
You can plug it in.
In fact, you know what? Stay right there.
Well, it's interesting because One of the things that we do with the Labor Energy Alliance, you're getting hit by so many different angles.
With the new super fund, the New Jersey, the climate super fund, we were able to impact that, by the way.
and have our labor community and our leadership and our energy community fight hard and push it.
And obviously, it's coming back, but we were able to push it off and have success.
But the reason that's important is because we're getting hit from so many sides.
We need to be able to address these situations.
Let's take a quick look at... tailpipe emissions, for example, the rules that they were, you know, putting, you know, well, that's what I would call, you know, in a sense, a lot like the setback rules, right? A backdoor way of shutting you down.
How many ways are these ridiculous things going to, you know, I mean, these organizations, these extreme situations want to try to hit us from angles you don't even see coming, right? So a setback, okay, which hasn't done well in California, um, You know, so now people you now there's ask your neighbors about a setback.
Right.
I run naked down Broad Street.
If one of my neighbors knows what the hell it is.
And believe me, I don't want that.
So my point is now you have, you know, the mouth, the mouth.
the tailpipe emissions.
Now that takes EV mandates national right away.
Okay.
So, so much, you know, hitting us from one standpoint, um, that that's why, you know, we jumped in and said, we have to protect our jobs and our industries and our organizations.
Um, because if we don't jump into this fight, we're all going to be watching it from the sideline.
Uh, you know, we only have a few minutes, so I'm going to close to show up with us.
Krause just gave us to go with that.
But, um, You know, let's talk about how, you know, these EV mandates are now hitting the ports of the ship, okay? And their regulation, not just enough about automobiles, okay? Talk about our vessels in our ports, okay, being impacted.

So California passed a regulation at birth, which requires all ships, including tankers, to bring in crude or refined product into a port in California to either plug in while they're there, or have an approved emissions capture system while docked at the port.
Well, before you go any further, what's great about that is all you need is a plug.
You can plug it in.
In fact, you know what? Stay right there.
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