Elia AyoubHost
Shui-yin Sharon YamGuest
And the way kind of, even this morning, I do this thing where I would put on a podcast while playing a video game.

I know it had to do something to do with ambiguous loss because, and we'll get into it.

Part of my PhD, uh, that I did and I finished like three years ago now was on the disappeared in Lebanon, quote unquote, the disappeared.

Lebanon, in Arabic, in Arabic, we call them which just means like the disappeared literally, um, Those who have forcibly disappeared during the 15-year long, what's usually called the Civil War, since 1975 and 1990, usually that's the group of people.

Um, although, and again, in this very grim haunting way, like that category of people call like the disappeared and also the loved ones of the disappeared, usually it's like, it's framed also in family matters, like the families of the disappeared.

Uh, you've had, we've had different, um, iterations of that over the years because multiple, like there've been wars since, and there's an ongoing one right now, obviously.

But there's also like after the Port of Beirut explosion in 2020, people who, it's not that they didn't know their loved ones were dead, but it was more of a like, there was no justice for what happened.

So that also like, and in many cases also there was no body because of the explosion and stuff like that.

I came to kind of have a bit of a reckoning recently I don't know if that's the correct term because I'm still struggling with it.

It's not, it's not quite a clean process necessarily, but of the reckoning was around like, where am I physically right now? Cause I'm in the UK.

Um, And I've struggled a lot with this, with where am I? Should it matter? It does matter, but should it matter that much? Can I find a way to go back to Lebanon? Maybe, but not really.

And the way kind of, even this morning, I do this thing where I would put on a podcast while playing a video game.

I know it had to do something to do with ambiguous loss because, and we'll get into it.

Part of my PhD, uh, that I did and I finished like three years ago now was on the disappeared in Lebanon, quote unquote, the disappeared.

Lebanon, in Arabic, in Arabic, we call them which just means like the disappeared literally, um, Those who have forcibly disappeared during the 15-year long, what's usually called the Civil War, since 1975 and 1990, usually that's the group of people.

Um, although, and again, in this very grim haunting way, like that category of people call like the disappeared and also the loved ones of the disappeared, usually it's like, it's framed also in family matters, like the families of the disappeared.

Uh, you've had, we've had different, um, iterations of that over the years because multiple, like there've been wars since, and there's an ongoing one right now, obviously.

But there's also like after the Port of Beirut explosion in 2020, people who, it's not that they didn't know their loved ones were dead, but it was more of a like, there was no justice for what happened.

So that also like, and in many cases also there was no body because of the explosion and stuff like that.

I came to kind of have a bit of a reckoning recently I don't know if that's the correct term because I'm still struggling with it.

It's not, it's not quite a clean process necessarily, but of the reckoning was around like, where am I physically right now? Cause I'm in the UK.

Um, And I've struggled a lot with this, with where am I? Should it matter? It does matter, but should it matter that much? Can I find a way to go back to Lebanon? Maybe, but not really.
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