Miranda July

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From Miranda July's famous novel, All Fours, they want to blow up their lives, right? Because they just have lost themselves in the relationships.

And so they think the only way is out to go find themselves.

What do you have to tell a woman who's listening right now who finds herself in that situation?

Yeah.

I don't like Miranda July's films very much.

Bit twee.

I don't like her books mostly either, but I mean, all fours was kind of interesting, but I don't really like, I'm not a huge fan.

I read all sorts of things, mostly fiction.

I love writers like Miranda July and, you know, characters, female characters that are just bizarre.

I'm really sorry, I don't remember the name of the author, but I just read a book that I loved called My Year of Rest and Relaxation.

Have you read it? No.

And she's extraordinary and uncomfortable.

And I just love it.

Like, all falls to me, Miranda July was just...

That book, I read it and just went straight back to the beginning.

Who knows? Okay, moving on to the juicy part of our discussion.

Yeah, which is Miranda July's 2005 feature film, Me and You and Everyone We Know.

I

thought it was so good.

I can't believe either.

Yeah.

It is weird because, of course, we love Miranda July for all fours.

And then, of course, I've been following her pretty closely since then.

People were like, I really hate this book because I could not relate to the main character and I really don't – like her and she's so annoying and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm going, Miranda July wanted her to be that way.

It's all for the plot.

It's for the plot.

And, you know, she's trying to sort of find herself.

And, you know, I think if we've learned anything from Miranda July and the last five years of the culture, it is that we are in a moment to talk about middle-aged women and this particular coming-of-age moment.

You know, this is the sort of w- are you there, God, it's me-

Mm-hmm

So she's kind of an all-time for me.

I think Miranda July is hilarious.

I loved all fours, and I also loved her really weird first novel called The First Bad Man.

Oh, I haven't read that.

It is called Kajillionaire, and I need to look up what it is.

Okay, Richard Jenkins, written and directed by Miranda July.

I definitely remember somebody recommending this to us and more of her movies.

Very interesting filmmaker.

To you?

The, this was, like, Miranda July was running dating profiles on her blog, on her Substack, and she asked me to do one.

It's called Beguiled.

Mm-hmm.