Aug 17, 2026 · 1 hr 28 min · 14 segments
The other month I was contacted by Jonas who was inspired to share his story of post-5-MeO-DMT energetic challenges here on the podcast in response to my oft-repeated comments that people are going…
Martin BallHostJonasGuestSo...

This experience that you've described, that you started having difficult reactivations, or when did those start showing up for you? Had you had any reactivations from the vaporizing experiences?
Can you repeat that, please?

I was just asking, um, now I'm moving in into more of where things became difficult for you.

So I was asking about, did you have reactivations from the vaporizing or was it then after doing the rectal administration that you started having these more challenging reactivations that you mentioned to me earlier?
That is also a good question because I, I, when I used, uh, five mil DMT was, uh, during a period of, I think, about three, four months.
And then the reactivations, I think the first some months after that.
Perhaps.
I'm not completely sure about this.
I might have some lighter reactivations sooner than that.
And I had many of that kind that I'm thinking about.
And that's like...
I just felt this... infinite presence somehow I just like in the waking up in the night I think that's common I heard that before and I made this spontaneous just made these sort of movements with my hands like symmetrically and and it was some sort of like who am I doing this it's just happening like and it was some sort of A balance between fear and acceptance, like I could accept it, but it was kind of weird.
Yeah.
And then I had stronger reactions, like some months after, maybe half a year.
And after that, maybe some months later again.
And that was very...
That was too much.
Once I was waking up in the middle of the night and I felt like I had a thunder in my nervous system.
Like I could see my nervous system from inside in my eyelids.
I don't know.
I just saw this sort of lightening of... something looking like nerves and that was uh and i was like so scared i couldn't think at that time and it took maybe five ten minutes to to come down and understand that i'm jonas and all of this and then i also had another very strong dream where i woke up in the drying from inside out of fear like super intense so and and after i had those experiences i felt like okay is this really healthy is it i i didn't know this uh could happen like uh this sort of egoic thinking to, to, to have my body being healthy and that I should take care of myself, which is a good idea.
But yeah, that have been challenging experiences to, to now afterwards, like how, how shall I relate to this substance? And, um,
So...

This experience that you've described, that you started having difficult reactivations, or when did those start showing up for you? Had you had any reactivations from the vaporizing experiences?
Can you repeat that, please?

I was just asking, um, now I'm moving in into more of where things became difficult for you.

So I was asking about, did you have reactivations from the vaporizing or was it then after doing the rectal administration that you started having these more challenging reactivations that you mentioned to me earlier?
That is also a good question because I, I, when I used, uh, five mil DMT was, uh, during a period of, I think, about three, four months.
And then the reactivations, I think the first some months after that.
Perhaps.
I'm not completely sure about this.
I might have some lighter reactivations sooner than that.
And I had many of that kind that I'm thinking about.
And that's like...
I just felt this... infinite presence somehow I just like in the waking up in the night I think that's common I heard that before and I made this spontaneous just made these sort of movements with my hands like symmetrically and and it was some sort of like who am I doing this it's just happening like and it was some sort of A balance between fear and acceptance, like I could accept it, but it was kind of weird.
Yeah.
And then I had stronger reactions, like some months after, maybe half a year.
And after that, maybe some months later again.
And that was very...
That was too much.
Once I was waking up in the middle of the night and I felt like I had a thunder in my nervous system.
Like I could see my nervous system from inside in my eyelids.
I don't know.
I just saw this sort of lightening of... something looking like nerves and that was uh and i was like so scared i couldn't think at that time and it took maybe five ten minutes to to come down and understand that i'm jonas and all of this and then i also had another very strong dream where i woke up in the drying from inside out of fear like super intense so and and after i had those experiences i felt like okay is this really healthy is it i i didn't know this uh could happen like uh this sort of egoic thinking to, to, to have my body being healthy and that I should take care of myself, which is a good idea.
But yeah, that have been challenging experiences to, to now afterwards, like how, how shall I relate to this substance? And, um,
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