The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast
Aug 4, 2026 · 28 min · 11 segments
**Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, *Emotionally Healthy Success* at** www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success For most of my early ministry, I…
Pete ScazzeroHost
Now, what if almost everything you and me have been taught about, you know, Success in ministry is a bigger ministry, larger impact, getting the respect of people that we admire.
It's like you see the earth is flat and you realize, oh my gosh, paradigm wise, it is round and it changes everything.
And so this is a jolt when we talk about uh, Jesus redefinition of success and moving, for example, just today and from, from week from, uh, charisma to weakness and limits.
It's a jolt for those of us who are measuring life by the old order and the old way and false values.
It's very challenging for us in the Western church in the 21st century to actually absorb this.
It's hard to see it because almost everything we've been trained to has been the opposite.
But once you see it, everything in scripture begins to pop out at you in a fresh way, especially in the Gospel of Luke, which I've been studying now for a few years.
But again, it's hard to see because almost everything we've been trained to admire is so different.
And for example, I began to see that Jesus was born not into wealth or royalty, but actually to a peasant girl in a small, obscure village.
The first to hear the good news are peasants, the lower class, shepherds, and their day laborers to the bottom of the ladder.
And from his first sermon in Nazareth, Jesus makes the point that the good news is for the poor, the excluded, the marginalized, the overlooked.
He pronounces woe to those who are comfortable and well-fed and self-secure apart from God.
He touches lepers and Samaritans and Roman centurions and even a tax collector and dying criminals on a cross.
I mean, the people who are getting Jesus' message are the ones outside the bounds of the religious system of his day and the ones who understand him.
Now, what if almost everything you and me have been taught about, you know, Success in ministry is a bigger ministry, larger impact, getting the respect of people that we admire.
It's like you see the earth is flat and you realize, oh my gosh, paradigm wise, it is round and it changes everything.
And so this is a jolt when we talk about uh, Jesus redefinition of success and moving, for example, just today and from, from week from, uh, charisma to weakness and limits.
It's a jolt for those of us who are measuring life by the old order and the old way and false values.
It's very challenging for us in the Western church in the 21st century to actually absorb this.
It's hard to see it because almost everything we've been trained to has been the opposite.
But once you see it, everything in scripture begins to pop out at you in a fresh way, especially in the Gospel of Luke, which I've been studying now for a few years.
But again, it's hard to see because almost everything we've been trained to admire is so different.
And for example, I began to see that Jesus was born not into wealth or royalty, but actually to a peasant girl in a small, obscure village.
The first to hear the good news are peasants, the lower class, shepherds, and their day laborers to the bottom of the ladder.
And from his first sermon in Nazareth, Jesus makes the point that the good news is for the poor, the excluded, the marginalized, the overlooked.
He pronounces woe to those who are comfortable and well-fed and self-secure apart from God.
He touches lepers and Samaritans and Roman centurions and even a tax collector and dying criminals on a cross.
I mean, the people who are getting Jesus' message are the ones outside the bounds of the religious system of his day and the ones who understand him.
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