Eranos pt 2 w/ The Kingless Generation (Preview)

And there's a big, cool-looking book about Stefan George and his circle.

Was he the central figure in the Munich Cosmics, maybe? Cosmica? So there's a good-looking book on him that is called Secret Germany, a title that comes from one of his phrases, Germania Secreta, a Latin phrase that he wanted to, you know, which is like...

you know, the occult Germanic truth, which, you know, as I think Furio Yezi argues convincingly is kind of a double of Christian Kabbalah trying to get some of that Eastern dark satanic magic for us here in the West.

Yeah, so I would connect that use of the swastika to this satanic Orientalism.

I think that maybe that's a useful term for what we're looking at here.

And you can connect that to the Japanese guys that show up at Erinos.

I think we might not have time to get into that today.

But D.T. Suzuki, Izutsu Toshihiko.

The Japanese who visit Erinos are very self-consciously playing a kind of satanic orientalist ideas.

Absolutely.

Yeah, which is not necessarily what, you know, and you could have recognition of impermanence.

You can have, you know, oriental ideas.

There is kind of a difference between Eastern Eurasian and Western Eurasian thought, arguably.

You know, maybe it isn't quite what people usually think it is.

Maybe they're more alike than people usually think, even, too.

I often like to point that out, but those differences are something different from satanic Orientalism that you see going quite a ways back.

I don't know if it's a satanic fascination exactly in Plato, but even in Plato, there is this idea that the Chaldeans seem to be this word for... babylonian oriental people who come from the east uh which you know mess uh mesopotamia was the place where people did first start observing the stars and keeping data and naming the constellations it is true that the mesopotamian names for the constellations are the eurasian pan-eurasian base names even in china You know, there's a lot of differences in Chinese astrology, but it does derive from Mesopotamian astrology, actually, that went east.