The Deeper You Go The Weirder It Gets
Sep 28, 2026 · 2 hr 15 min · 14 segments
In this episode, I sit down with Brian Costello, author of ***The Primordial Code***—one of my favorite books of all time. We take a behind-the-scenes look at the story, the characters, and some of…
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And it's super interesting because I know this was for myself and a lot of people.

So I think I said – so I've read this book twice and also hosted a book club with this.

And one of the things I noticed for myself and the people that have read it is that you felt – it feels like in this book you tapped into – the collective consciousness of a lot of what everybody's feeling.

And it's kind of funny because there were two people in my book club who were actually like, is this book real? Like, is this a real place? And, you know, they were kind of saying it joking, but also, and I was like, I don't know, you know, it, it, it feels real.

know, there's this idea that, um, it feels like in today's society that humanity in the world is at this precipice and we are kind of on this edge of like, if we don't get our act together, this whole thing may come crumbling down.

And not only is there a better way to live, but when you start looking into deeper aspects of how we currently live, it sure feels like there is a system that's been put in place to hold us back, right? To make us sick, weak, docile, and consumers.

So I think this is, you really kind of nailed that feeling in this book, which is really cool.
And I think like people said, they might have been half joking, but I've had several people say similar things about whether or not it's actually exists or actually real.
I think it feels that way because I think it – like this sounds sort of cliche or corny maybe, but I think Okoblaya does exist in all of our hearts already.
And, you know, this – we're all – basically anyone who's paying attention at all to anything going on around them in the world is pretty much at a point where they can look around and say, this ain't it, right? Something's not right here.
Something just like we can feel – it mentioned the boy harmony, like something's in harmony or it's out of harmony.
If you're listening to an orchestra, that's just a little bit out of harmony.

And it's super interesting because I know this was for myself and a lot of people.

So I think I said – so I've read this book twice and also hosted a book club with this.

And one of the things I noticed for myself and the people that have read it is that you felt – it feels like in this book you tapped into – the collective consciousness of a lot of what everybody's feeling.

And it's kind of funny because there were two people in my book club who were actually like, is this book real? Like, is this a real place? And, you know, they were kind of saying it joking, but also, and I was like, I don't know, you know, it, it, it feels real.

know, there's this idea that, um, it feels like in today's society that humanity in the world is at this precipice and we are kind of on this edge of like, if we don't get our act together, this whole thing may come crumbling down.

And not only is there a better way to live, but when you start looking into deeper aspects of how we currently live, it sure feels like there is a system that's been put in place to hold us back, right? To make us sick, weak, docile, and consumers.

So I think this is, you really kind of nailed that feeling in this book, which is really cool.
And I think like people said, they might have been half joking, but I've had several people say similar things about whether or not it's actually exists or actually real.
I think it feels that way because I think it – like this sounds sort of cliche or corny maybe, but I think Okoblaya does exist in all of our hearts already.
And, you know, this – we're all – basically anyone who's paying attention at all to anything going on around them in the world is pretty much at a point where they can look around and say, this ain't it, right? Something's not right here.
Something just like we can feel – it mentioned the boy harmony, like something's in harmony or it's out of harmony.
If you're listening to an orchestra, that's just a little bit out of harmony.
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