Sep 29, 2026 · 2 hr 20 min · 27 segments
This conversation follows Mike Goldstein and guest Carter Shaw as Carter shares his path through fire service, military service, and the devastating loss of his lieutenant and close friend, Kyle…
Carter ShawGuestMike GoldsteinHostAnd so for him, actually for both of you then, so you had that death of that infant.
Did your department do a debriefing? And again, I'm not trying to, I know it's a tough, I don't want you to get in trouble and say things like that today, but does, because there's some departments that are very good about it, they're very well trained, they have the peer support groups, and people reach out to one another as well, and they help resolve those issues.
I had dealt with an infant death not that long ago in my department, and all of us reached out to everyone.
So like they were following up with us, making sure that we're okay, making sure we're dealing with things.
And so I was just curious is for you both, since you're both on that call, were services offered or did you just say, now I'm all set right now?
So to give some context, so this department at the time, I want to say we had around maybe 20 members.
And that's including, we had a chief, we had an assistant chief, one captain, and I think like two lieutenants.
I would say we had, you know, maybe 12 or 15 firefighters, a couple cadets, and maybe one or two probies.
Um, and, um, if I'm recalling correctly, it was probably one of those things where it was like, Hey, we're good type of deal.
Um, but our department at the time, you know, this whole, um, and I won't speak for any other department, um, because I don't know, but at the time that department, we had never done any sort of, um, group meeting group debriefing after it was essentially, um, here's a pamphlet.
know, here's the number to call because some departments, especially the small ones, they don't have the resources.
And so for him, actually for both of you then, so you had that death of that infant.
Did your department do a debriefing? And again, I'm not trying to, I know it's a tough, I don't want you to get in trouble and say things like that today, but does, because there's some departments that are very good about it, they're very well trained, they have the peer support groups, and people reach out to one another as well, and they help resolve those issues.
I had dealt with an infant death not that long ago in my department, and all of us reached out to everyone.
So like they were following up with us, making sure that we're okay, making sure we're dealing with things.
And so I was just curious is for you both, since you're both on that call, were services offered or did you just say, now I'm all set right now?
So to give some context, so this department at the time, I want to say we had around maybe 20 members.
And that's including, we had a chief, we had an assistant chief, one captain, and I think like two lieutenants.
I would say we had, you know, maybe 12 or 15 firefighters, a couple cadets, and maybe one or two probies.
Um, and, um, if I'm recalling correctly, it was probably one of those things where it was like, Hey, we're good type of deal.
Um, but our department at the time, you know, this whole, um, and I won't speak for any other department, um, because I don't know, but at the time that department, we had never done any sort of, um, group meeting group debriefing after it was essentially, um, here's a pamphlet.
know, here's the number to call because some departments, especially the small ones, they don't have the resources.
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