#90 "There's No Such Thing as Gelato vs. Ice Cream” — Giapo's Gianpaolo Grazioli

Is there really a difference between gelato and ice cream? Gianpaolo Grazioli — the "Giapo" behind Auckland's Giapo — has a strong opinion on it, and it's not the one you'd expect. Gianpaolo and his wife Annarosa have been running Giapo for almost 18 years, dropping a brand new flavor every single week. Their kitchen leans hard into New Zealand — grass-fed dairy, local fruit and nuts, hazelnuts from a Christchurch farmer they've worked with for years — with only a handful of ingredients sourced from just outside the country. What started as a small shop on Queen Street has grown into something closer to an art practice: ice cream you can wear, sculpt, and experience, not just eat. We talk about: \- Gelato vs. ice cream — is there actually a difference? (You'll want to hear his answer.)- The real, possibly-Italian origin story of Hokey Pokey- Why New Zealand's grass-fed dairy makes such a difference- Turning ice cream into sculpture and full sensory experiences- His pick for the most underrated flavor out there — and why Giapo: \- Visit \- Website \- Instagram: @giapokitchen